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Jees
#21 Posted : 9/16/2015 9:41:45 AM

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Swarupa wrote:
universecannon wrote:

What's far more interesting to me than one upping yourself on dosage is the phenomenon of becoming more sensitive, and needing less medicine to get to the same or even deeper places than you could before.

I couldn't agree more Thumbs up...

+1 vote.
 

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#22 Posted : 9/16/2015 1:22:06 PM

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jamie wrote:
also..they say that acacia tree/branch bark has no alkaloids and that only the root bark is good, which is not correct and furthers the unsustainable harvesting of acacia roots which often kills the trees. The authors(and I like they're podcasts) probably don't know this, as many don't seem to know this. It is important though that the DMT community, or w/e people are going to call it, is not just depleting the acacia forests.

Hear hear!

I've done a side by side extraction of Hawaiian AC root bark and Taiwanese AC trunk bark and the trunk bark even gave slightly better yields and apparently with less NMT to boot. IIRC the numbers where about 1.19 and 1.35 grams from 100 grams of bark each. So there.

Acacia Confusa trunk bark is the good stuff.
 
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#23 Posted : 9/16/2015 4:54:04 PM

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Unfortunately harvesting trunk bark also kills the trees. Afaik many (most? all?) Acacia also contain alkaloids in the phylodes and smaller branches/twigs/stems and these can be sustainably harvested. Remember to be nice to the trees folques, if we take good care of them they will take good care of us.
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#24 Posted : 9/16/2015 7:00:28 PM

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SpiritWalker wrote:
... Maybe that's why you fear the 25 gram doses, twice in a the evening? That's the only way I travel now Pleased

In all friendliness and seriousness, something puzzles me about this.

The touching of limits I speak of here now is of the kind that take a lifetime to integrate and/or it has been of such nature that regular visiting is simply not necessary. Like it's done, it happened. Like you don't need to learn to ride a bike twice in your life, or crawl twice out of a womb.

What puzzles me is that even 25 grams seems to (as I understand) not bring you to the point I mention. Maoi + 450 mg N,N drove me past that point and I cannot imagine by far doing that again unless I turn into a torture-pain loving person. I do not fear it's terrain as I keep visiting the shallow slopes of it's nature on a regular base (at least once a week), but with doses that enables me to work with it, communicate with it, play with it. Like on has to learn to drive a Ferrari, no use to step in and full pedal for the sake of it unless you love the pain of crashing. Just my view on the matter, ymmv.

My actual point here is: if you really do 25 as regular practice, there must be reasons that keeps you out of the asylum somehow, and I can only imagine of factors that keep the intensity down (brew potency and/or sensitivity ?). I know of people, sturdy people, that came down of the usual 15, then 10 grams (mimo) down to 5 in order to stay sane, there is no choice in this, it is not fear, and eventually had to break for a long time in some case. There is something add-ish to it, cumulative, sensitivity increasing ... Therefore my questioning of a regular practice of very high doses.
 
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#25 Posted : 9/18/2015 5:47:10 AM

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dreamer042 wrote:
Unfortunately harvesting trunk bark also kills the trees. Afaik many (most? all?) Acacia also contain alkaloids in the phylodes and smaller branches/twigs/stems and these can be sustainably harvested. Remember to be nice to the trees folques, if we take good care of them they will take good care of us.


I've three beautiful Acacia stenophylla specimens -Shoestring Acacia - in our front yard. We trim them back every year, they've become so prolific with phylodes that it weighs down and breaks the branches. Plus we're near the coast, and a strong storm can damage a top heavy canopy. I saved I hope enough material this year to do a minor extract to send out for testing to get an alkaloid profile. Life has felt way busy, I haven't gotten to it yet, but I intend to! Confused Just that A. stenophylla seems to be missing from the Acacia catalog of alkaloid profiles, and A. stenophylla grows all over Southern California as an ornamental tree.
I hope it will yield something viable! Very happy
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#26 Posted : 9/18/2015 6:53:13 AM

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SpiritWalker wrote:
For a DMT forum, there sure are a lot of ego's flying around. Kind of missing the point of drinking Ayahuasca, don't you think? Maybe that's why you fear the 25 gram doses, twice in a the evening? That's the only way I travel now Pleased



Cool story.

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#27 Posted : 9/19/2015 3:03:29 PM

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On a constructive note:

SpiritWalker wrote:
...What would you add or subtract from the tek?


* As pointed to before: mimo is stronger as acacia. Mimo has more n,n and has no modulating nmt that acacia has. Personally, 12 gr of acacia is ok, but I'd not go for 12 mimo, a 7 mimo gives IMO all I need (ymmv). For first timers probably even half of that like 3.
So in general in the document mimo and acacia is placed as equal, it's not so.

* 4 to 5 gr rue is a lot especially if adding caapi was recommended like in the pdf. I modestly suggest 3 - 4 gr without caapi. 1 gr makes a big difference in these areas imo. It's not only about the psychedelic impact but also about preventing premature purges, those purges can also be alleviated by making a tea from the rue instead of the suggested grind raw material intake.

* If it was very finely shredded to powdered material the suggested cooking times are fine, like 12 hours total, actually more is better, always. But if it is grossly shredded like from toothpicks and larger, longer cooking times are required to get the job done for best result. It's impossible to cook too long and for caapi the forming of THH is promoted as believed due longer cooking.
In that pdf I really like the long period of personal preparation recommended, so there is room enough for doubling your boiling times in case of grossly shredded wood.


that pdf file wrote:
Step 1: Add 2 to 3 liters of water to each stainless steel pot and bring to 205
degrees. Do NOT allow the water to get over 212 degrees at any time. The
alkaloids will burn and your brew will be weak. Use the digital thermometer to
bring to a perfect temperature then reduce heat to maintain.

There's no reason to stay away of heavy boiling, you cannot burn the actives as long as there is water in the pot. It's a false alarm. Economic reasons are legit to not overly boil.

that pdf file wrote:
Step 2: Use 1 tablespoon of liquid vitamin C in each pot. Stir well. Check the pH using the pH meter and adjust with more vitamin C until you reach an optimal pH
of 3.8 – 3.5. Always adjust pH after the water is heated otherwise the pH will drop

I've never worked with vitamin C myself but I question how the pH can drop further down by heating? If you measured in hot water then it's normal that the reading drops while the actual pH stay the same, this happens if there is no automatic temperature correction in the measurement present. For example pH 3.5 at 25 deg C (77F) heating to 75 deg C (167 F) then the reading drops with 0.5 pH, while actual pH was same. So to ensure good pH reading cool down sample to same temp as in reference (if you have no separate temperature probe on your pH meter, no ATC)
So first: I don't believe the pH truly can drop by heating alone, please enlighten me if it can. Do you mean by evaporating volume, then the acid concentrates?
Second, it said: if pH dropped correct pH:
You need a base to rise pH again, no word on that in the doc?


These are meant only positive constructively, and got my ego finely in control Pleased

I really like the spirit in the document pdf, the neat outline, the positive vibrancy, the good intentions ... There are just a load of facts that could be tweaked and I hope this takes place so to make a gem diamond guide Smile
 
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