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Innocent
#1 Posted : 9/9/2015 9:43:33 AM

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Using Kash's guide as a reference https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=35607

Volumes reduced as using 20 seeds instead of 100

1. 20 HBWR seeds finely mashed
2. Seeds in 20mL Acetone frequently mixed for 2-3 hours
3. Filter Acetone and store, repeat 2 times
4. Combine Acetone and evaporate the 60mL
5. No Acetone smell left but very cloudy liquid (looks almost supersaturated) with green florescence under UV
6. 100mL distilled water brought to pH 4 with citric acid, added to acetone extract
7. Defat 2x with Xylene (20mL each time)
8. Sodium Carbonate (Heptahydrate) added until pH 8-10 (universal indicator hard to read)
9. Extraction 2x with Xylene (20mL each time)
10. Evaporated Xylene (and a few tiny bubbles of water at the bottom of it)
11. Left with small volume of goo that fluoresces green under UV light, possibly containing very few , tiny white crystals (is this carbonate or LSA?)
12. Added more sodium carbonate to water solution (pH 10-11)
13. Pulled with Xylene again
14. Same goo, although less of it. Smells like hydrocarbon but not like Xylene.
15. Pure Xylene evaporation leaves no residue and does not glow in UV
16. Collected goo and possible crystals in vial with ethanol and water, added tartaric acid.

If one were to find the above, what might be going wrong? Should defat be done with naphtha and not Xylene?

Could the green goo be plant fats that didn't get pulled in the defat process?

Could there be LSA in the plant fats?

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance
 

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sleepermustawaken
#2 Posted : 9/9/2015 12:22:54 PM

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From what I read it seems you arn't allowed to exceed a ph of 8.5 otherwise it becomes unstable and degrades. Most reports I have seen are it evapping into a goo that is scraped. If you eat that sodium carb i think it may make your ill or give you runny poo.

I looked long at that tek and decided against it, it is way too much effort for such small quantities of a substance. I use the other tek... just wash with naphtha then pull with acetone, easy! If you don't like handling tiny miniscule quantities of crystals (1 dose is like 1-5mg afaik) then you can leave the LSA in the grinded seeds after you do naphtha defat.
 
Innocent
#3 Posted : 9/9/2015 12:32:02 PM

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So for clarity
1. Add naphtha to seeds and mix
2. Filter seeds and evap residue
3. Add acetone to seeds and mix
4. Filter seeds
5. Evap acetone
6. Consume residue?

How is the nausea/headache/vasoconstriction?
 
Innocent
#4 Posted : 9/9/2015 1:40:36 PM

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An experiment with one seed and a test tube is extremely valuable.

It seems that a basic water solution (after defat) glows green and an acidic solution glows light green or bluey.

1. Seed mashed in test tube
2. Add acidic water
3. Naphtha defat
4. Check under UV. It's bluish green
5. Add sodium carbonate and xylene
6. Check under UV. It's the same green as the evaporating basin
7. Add acid
8. Check under UV. It's bluish green again.

The xylene layer seemed to not glow or it was too similar to the UV torch colour. Just reflected blue or white light.

What could be responsible for this glow that changes with pH?
 
sleepermustawaken
#5 Posted : 9/10/2015 3:02:46 AM

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Sodium carbonate isn't recomended for this tek unless you have a ph pen and it in incredibly small amounts to reach a ph of 9.5, only ammonia does this which is why it is used in that tek, but I don't use that tek because it is easier to handle LSA that is not smaller than a grain of sand Surprised

Here is the Other Tek that is more simple.

It goes naphtha wash 10x
discard naphtha
evap seeds
acetone 3x seeds
evap acetone
discard seeds

BUT

I only use naphtha wash 10x because 1 dose of crush/grinded seed material is easier to handle and put into capsules than fiddling with minute grain of sand size goo/crystals, apparantly it is only very slightly more body load than goo but no nausea either way.
 
 
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