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Koornut
#41 Posted : 8/27/2015 8:12:42 AM

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#42 Posted : 8/27/2015 10:54:20 AM

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Jakup wrote:

If someone doesn't care enough to take some time and research DMT , then they probably shouldn't be doing it.


The thing is...they'll do it anyways. They'll get info from youtube and reddit (r/dmt) and so on. Many just don't care about this page (which is a pitty, yes. But this also has to do with the people on here, who take fairy tales for real). When we want them to use DMT in the way the nexus suggests it, the nexus must spread it's information on said portals.

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Instead of people on this forum attacking PsychedSubstance, why not offer suggestions and tips? He's got the subscribers, this site has the info. Cooperation yo. It gets shit done.


Exactly this.

What happened to "Learn, Share, Expand"?
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universecannon
#43 Posted : 8/27/2015 4:10:57 PM



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beatenwarrior wrote:
Bodhisativa wrote:


I've seen some of the comments on your videos. It was a pretty big wake up call for me; not everyone that knows about DMT is spiritually minded. In fact there were a lot of people who seemed like they were looking for the next high. Your various "VS" videos are a bit too rushed and counterproductive. I like the idea of comparing the effects, but I think it should be done scientifically.

Here's my two cents. Live and let live. Post videos with introductory information. Redirect people that are interested to places like the Nexus wiki so that they may learn. If they are not willing to learn, then Jakup's quote sums it up quite nicely. That's the right attitude to have, I think. Not overly hostile, not elitist, and compassionate.

I was shocked to see aggressive posts by veteran Nexians.


Exactly! Not everyone is spiritually minded. And those types of people understand information in a different way. Things need to be kept simple. The video format I've created does a good job of keeping things simple - especially for those who will not read websites like this. I am providing a service for a different type of person.

I would love to keep posting videos with introductory information on DMT. But I'm being warned by members on this site if I post DMT related content they will flag the videos. How is that supposed to make me feel? It's not bad enough we have to be in "hiding" about using this substance due to fear of our government. Now I have to fear talking about this substance due to the thought Nexians are going to attempt to have it removed!

I'm fucking flabbergasted.


Lets be honest, you are not worried about them being removed because you are a youtube partner and they can no longer be removed by flagging.

You've already said that the only result of them being flagged is the age restriction and the fact that you can no longer generate AD revenue off of them for financial gain, which you were quite upset about.

I don't think you are a bad person but I think people here have a right to know that this is a big factor in your feelings about this and that it is not about them being at risk of removal.




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universecannon
#44 Posted : 8/27/2015 4:52:47 PM



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I'm sorry if you felt I was attacking you, that is not my intent. Tone definitely doesn't travel through the pixels well. I'm just relaying the information you told me, because this entire thread seemed misleading when, as I understood it then based on our talk, they weren't even in jeopardy of being removed to begin with (thanks for relaying more info that they still are, because I don't know how that part of youtube works). I never said your only intent was to make money and I don't think you are a bad person. But I think people here had a right to know the details of the situation and that money was definitely a factor in the creation of this thread.

I didn't even flag any of your videos and didn't think the How To video needed to be removed, although it could certainly be improved a lot. I thought it was mostly OK apart from the 80mg recommendation... There is a massive difference between a breakthrough on 40mg of DMT in one hit and 80mg in one hit, it is night and day and we shouldn't downplay that there are serious psychological risks for some people. We've had more than a few members here post about such cases involving serious lingering psychological difficulties after just one experience. Downplaying this is never something I like to do even though DMT is for the most part very safe.



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SpartanII
#45 Posted : 8/27/2015 5:14:34 PM

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Bodhisativa wrote:
Instead of people on this forum attacking PsychedSubstance, why not offer suggestions and tips?


I re-read the thread and didn't see anyone attacking him. He was the one who said he felt attacked.

 
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#46 Posted : 8/27/2015 5:18:42 PM

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I actually appreciate that I can talk to you about why I'm flagging these videos. I rarely get the opportunity to talk to the people making videos with poor information about DMT.

Why don't we take this crisis and turn it into an opportunity?

100,000 views is pretty impressive, that's quite a wide audience. I think you should remake the how to DMT video, but this time don't try to play the expert with inadequate information, draw upon the community and the knowledge base you've found here on the nexus. Rather than sit here and bicker and argue, let's do something productive. Thumbs up

So what does a well made "How to DMT" video look like?

It would explain what DMT is, what it's risks are, what research and information is available and how to find it, and yes even where do I get it, with special consideration to the legal, ethical, and environmental implications involved.

It would at least provide an overview of DMT extraction and links to good teks and information to extract it safely. If an extraction section is included in the video all necessary safety precautions should be followed and it should be vetted by a few of our resident chemists for safety and accuracy.

It would explain there are many routes of ingestion for DMT and that there are many smoking devices available, this is a big flaw in the previous video as it only focuses on one smoking device and one of the harder to work with ones. Something like changa or enhanced leaf is generally a lot easier for an inexperienced person to work with for example.

It would contain relevant and accurate information about using harmalas/MAOI's, how they work with DMT, what the risks are, and how to use them safely.

I would explain the importance of set and setting and offer ideas of how to create a safe space for the experience both internally and externally.

It would explain dosage and effects thoroughly at all levels. It would explain how sensitivities differ to this compound and encourage people to start low and work their way up to finding the dose that is right for them.

It would explain the onset time and duration, a general idea of what effects to expect, and how to surrender to the experience. It would also explain the observable external effects for any else present, such as the journeyer writhing around in terror, going into convulsions, projectile vomiting, speaking in toungues, etc.. etc... These type of effects could be alarming to someone who is not familiar with this compound, thus it's prudent to at least provide some basic information on how to be an effective sitter.

Finally and most importantly it would provide basic information and resources for integrating the experience and encourage the journeyer to report their experience and connect with others for ongoing support and learning.

I think such a video would really be an ideal way to communicate good accurate information to the masses and help dispel some of the mystique and misinformation that is constantly regurgitated all over the internet about this molecule.
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SpartanII
#47 Posted : 8/27/2015 5:47:41 PM

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beatenwarrior wrote:
The reason I keep arguing is because I'm offended with the way you guys are bullying me.


No. The reason you keep arguing is because you've attached your ego to your videos and so the reactions of the viewers and Nexians in this thread aren't aligning with your expectations and beliefs.

In one of your videos you promote Gandhi's quote about being the change you wish to see in the world, yet you don't practice what you preach. You come on this site wining about how disgusted and offended you are at us Nexians flagging your videos, destroying your hard work that could change the world. Sorry to be blunt, but that sounds pretty self-important and immature and it's in opposition to the kinds of themes you're trying to promote in your videos. That's why I said it's coming from your ego. This whole thing isn't completely about helping people, it's about you. Your point of view. Your beliefs and expectations. Your moral standpoint and ideals. If it was truly altruistic and selfless, you wouldn't be getting so offended and defensive. You would have tried your best, made a few mistakes, came across new information, adapted, and moved on.

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We all operate from the ego. That's what being alive on this planet entails. Sure, I could have *reacted less.* But my reaction is what my reaction is. I'm not going to alter my emotions to keep up some sort of mystical appearance. I'm human. I enjoy being human.


Sounds like a cop-out. You may have egoic tendencies/habits/emotional inertia, but you always have a choice in how you choose to respond to life. It's not a matter of keeping up an appearance, it's a matter of strategy in choosing the most effective and responsible behavior.

I'm really not trying to pick on you. I'm just calling it like I see it. You have good intentions and seem like a good guy, but for god's sake man, get over yourself and let it go. All of it. Or you may have to change your user name from beatenwarrior to beatendeadhorse.Big grin
 
kgp4death
#48 Posted : 8/27/2015 6:23:33 PM

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it is not about him and his ego and his views, it is possible to make a great video with out letting go of ego it is content of video nothing else, he doesn't need to be Buddha to make a good solid facts video. he doesn't even really need to smoke it just give facts like an encyclopedia.
 
Heyt
#49 Posted : 8/27/2015 6:28:08 PM

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kgp4death wrote:
it is not about him and his ego and his views, it is possible to make a great video with out letting go of ego it is content of video nothing else, he doesn't need to be Buddha to make a good solid facts video. he doesn't even really need to smoke it just give facts like an encyclopedia.


Spartan was referring to this thread, not the video - from what I understand. Although beatenwarrior wears a lab coat with an anatomy poster in the background in his How to DMT video, which is a sneaky way to appear as an authority on the subject despite the fact that the info in the video is not correct - which could be interpreted as egoistic. Anyhow, I think this thread is sort of missing the point.
 
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#50 Posted : 8/27/2015 6:40:26 PM

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He'd better draft and present a checkup version here before uploading again, so we don't fall into loops.
 
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#51 Posted : 8/27/2015 6:55:05 PM

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you got to know it isn't just this community, I suspect many off these kinds of videos get flagged and removed all the time. Some seem to be going out of there way to flag but eventually it will be flagged by someone else.
 
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#52 Posted : 8/27/2015 9:45:26 PM

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beatenwarrior wrote:
Even if i saw a video that said smoking DMT will make you fly, so you should begin jumping off cliffs. I wouldn't flag said video.

That you do not take responsibility does not mean others shouldn't either.

You talk about harm reduction but I do not see you practicing it. And just as you think that it is your right to have free speech we think we have our right and freedom to flag video's that we feel are irresponsible.

Somehow people who talk about rights and freedom often forget that such things works both ways.


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Jees
#53 Posted : 8/27/2015 9:53:42 PM

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beatenwarrior wrote:
...But don't bully them into removing it. This is school yard behaviour....

If you really encourage the world to poke 80 mg in a pipe, then any method, even school yard methods are legit to prevent such utter madness from spreading. Who's helping the world here?
 
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#54 Posted : 8/27/2015 9:57:18 PM

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dreamer042 wrote:
I actually appreciate that I can talk to you about why I'm flagging these videos. I rarely get the opportunity to talk to the people making videos with poor information about DMT.

Why don't we take this crisis and turn it into an opportunity?

100,000 views is pretty impressive, that's quite a wide audience. I think you should remake the how to DMT video, but this time don't try to play the expert with inadequate information, draw upon the community and the knowledge base you've found here on the nexus. Rather than sit here and bicker and argue, let's do something productive. Thumbs up

So what does a well made "How to DMT" video look like?

It would explain what DMT is, what it's risks are, what research and information is available and how to find it, and yes even where do I get it, with special consideration to the legal, ethical, and environmental implications involved.

It would at least provide an overview of DMT extraction and links to good teks and information to extract it safely. If an extraction section is included in the video all necessary safety precautions should be followed and it should be vetted by a few of our resident chemists for safety and accuracy.

It would explain there are many routes of ingestion for DMT and that there are many smoking devices available, this is a big flaw in the previous video as it only focuses on one smoking device and one of the harder to work with ones. Something like changa or enhanced leaf is generally a lot easier for an inexperienced person to work with for example.

It would contain relevant and accurate information about using harmalas/MAOI's, how they work with DMT, what the risks are, and how to use them safely.

I would explain the importance of set and setting and offer ideas of how to create a safe space for the experience both internally and externally.

It would explain dosage and effects thoroughly at all levels. It would explain how sensitivities differ to this compound and encourage people to start low and work their way up to finding the dose that is right for them.

It would explain the onset time and duration, a general idea of what effects to expect, and how to surrender to the experience. It would also explain the observable external effects for any else present, such as the journeyer writhing around in terror, going into convulsions, projectile vomiting, speaking in toungues, etc.. etc... These type of effects could be alarming to someone who is not familiar with this compound, thus it's prudent to at least provide some basic information on how to be an effective sitter.

Finally and most importantly it would provide basic information and resources for integrating the experience and encourage the journeyer to report their experience and connect with others for ongoing support and learning.

I think such a video would really be an ideal way to communicate good accurate information to the masses and help dispel some of the mystique and misinformation that is constantly regurgitated all over the internet about this molecule.


This! I mean, if you are going to make a video (or remake it), then Dreamer did a great job of outlining how it should be approached. This would help educate people when they are too lazy to educate themselves.

Edit: I know we believe in no spoon feeding here at the Nexus but it is Youtube, the land of misinformation. Finding legitimate and trustworthy information over there is rare. Almost everything should be taken with a grain of salt. If only everyone in the world would do their own research... Razz

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Godsmacker
#55 Posted : 8/27/2015 10:32:38 PM

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IMO DMT extraction videos have no purpose and are terrible things indeed. I have found nothing but misinformation and self incriminating stupidity when glancing at these travesties. All these videos do is give LEOs more evidence to use against you in court and draw negative attention to those who work with these plants. If it weren't for all the stupid videos of poo-poo heads blowing their brains to smitherines with Salvia on youtube, it may have a better reputation than it currently does in government.

Youtube is the world's video store and everyone watches those. By everyone I of course mean everyone who has internet access and knows what youtube is. Everyone includes people of all degrees of intellect and personality and age and other such characteristics. Displaying this information on such a widely-used website is asking for trouble. Those thousands of views on a DMT making video could range from LEOs getting evidence against you to teenagers trying to get high on whatever they can find on ebay to disgruntled evangelicals who revere drugs as the devil to just about everyone who should have access to this information and the masses of millions of others who shouldn't. Not posting extraction videos on Youtube is common sense and should be viewed as such. If you smoke a joint in front of a police station you aren't going to have a good time. If you post a video of you manufacturing a controlled substance on one of the most trafficked sights on the internet, you aren't going to have a good time.
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beginning it was so big that I was afraid, I kept running and running, and I was glad
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narrowed so quickly that I am in the last chamber already, and there in the corner
stands the trap that I must run into." "You only need to change your direction," said
the cat, and ate it up.' --Franz Kafka
 
Godsmacker
#56 Posted : 8/27/2015 10:39:55 PM

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beatenwarrior wrote:
The Traveler wrote:
And just as you think that it is your right to have free speech we think we have our right and freedom to flag video's that we feel are irresponsible.

Somehow people who talk about rights and freedom often forget that such things works both ways.



I'm sorry it doesn't work that way. You believe it is your "right" to shut people up forcefully? By all accounts that is NOT freedom of speech. That is called the opposite my friend.

That is called censorship.

Maybe if I frame this in a different angle you will understand. "Flagging a video" to have it removed is the equivalent to hitting "delete" when someone is talking to you and they share an opinion you don't agree with. It's eliminating them without even offering constructive criticism or trying to explain why what they are doing is wrong.

Yes, you have the freedom to shut people up instantly who share information you don't like. Just like you, as the owner of this forum, have the right to delete any post you don't like. Does this mean it is right though? No. It means you are taking a place of control over another person.

If this were a moral argument you would be correct. It's nice to be able to shut people who who share potentially harmful information. But this is an argument about freedoms. And even if someone is expression an opinion you don't agree with, they still deserve the freedom to express that opinion.

In going around mass flagging videos you don't approve of - BEFORE EVEN TALKING TO THE PERSON WHO MADE THE VIDEO - and seeing if they will accept the constructive criticism - you are censoring the information available to suit your own personal needs.

I'm not arguing those needs have a "just" backbone. I'm arguing you are censoring people which is not practicing allowing individuals their freedoms.

I believe this goes against what DMT teaches us.

But please, believe in your illusions. What else do we have anyway.


I would like to ask you to not post such videos on youtube. There is a plethora of well written information regarding spice scattered all over the internet which anyone with an internet connection can find with a simple google search. When I first got interested in DMT, I didn't look up a how-to video; I joined the Nexus and started reading up on the process and experience in order to educate myself as to how to work with Psychedelics in a safe and responsible manner. Posting extraction videos on youtube is unnecessarily stupid and only adds to the pile of evidence that may be used against you in a court of law and accelerates the criminalization of these sacraments by the powers that dominate our society. What is it that you want to get out of these videos? More likes? More views? More subscribers? An all expense paid ten year vacation in one of our nation's finest prisons? Why do you persist in trying to get us to go along with your videos when they go against every aspect of our attitude and put the pigs on our trails? I would appreciate it if you could refrain from posting any further self-incriminating evidence on youtube and find something better to share with the world.

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beginning it was so big that I was afraid, I kept running and running, and I was glad
when at last I saw walls far away to the right and left, but these long walls have
narrowed so quickly that I am in the last chamber already, and there in the corner
stands the trap that I must run into." "You only need to change your direction," said
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#57 Posted : 8/27/2015 10:44:25 PM

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I'm just now seeing this whole thread, and didn't feel the need to jump in until I saw this:

beatenwarrior wrote:
Once you break through dose no longer becomes relevant you are out of this world. It's not as if the increase from 40mg to 80mg would increase your chances of damaging your mental health if you were prone to it.


Who the hell are you to make these claims? No one who's experienced the upper end of that dosage range, I would bet. Regardless, that point of view completely discredits you, and it can only get someone hurt.

Personally, I don't really care what your motivations are (though it doesn't take a lot of cynicism to see a desire for internet fame and monetization as the bedrock of your calling). Regardless, I think you're bad news for anyone who cares about DMT and entheogenic liberty in general. You're way too cavalier about indoctrinating people into this experience - people you have zero direct contact with and will never know should they end up hurt by your actions.

I also found the video I watched to be silly, embarrassing and altogether adolescent, but that's really beside the point. I just think you're reckless and goofy and no one I would wish to see presenting themselves as an authority on something so powerful.

That's why I'll flag you.



 
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#58 Posted : 8/27/2015 11:14:07 PM

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Uncle Knucles wrote:
You're way too cavalier about indoctrinating people into this experience - people you have zero direct contact with and will never know should they end up hurt by your actions.







The subject matter cannot fit into a simple how-to.
Multi-part interactive lectures, coupled with testing on the other hand...


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Heyt
#59 Posted : 8/27/2015 11:14:45 PM

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beatenwarrior wrote:

How could going from 40mg to 80mg get someone hurt? How many people can clear 80mg in one go? Chances are high they'd be well blasted off before completing the entire dose. And if they weren't, chances are high they are an experienced user and know what they are doing.


80mg is incredibly easy to clear in one go - I know from experience. In fact, that experience has left me emotionally scarred ever since and changed my life forever - in a very negative way. You should be ashamed of yourself. How dare you. You are consciously supporting dangerous abuse of one of the most powerful substances in the world. Your true colors have been shown. If I sound furious it's because I am. You have the entire resources of the Nexus at your disposal and choose ignorance and worse - you promote ignorance through misinformation. That's despicable. Thumbs down
 
dreamer042
#60 Posted : 8/27/2015 11:29:09 PM

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beatenwarrior wrote:
In going around mass flagging videos you don't approve of - BEFORE EVEN TALKING TO THE PERSON WHO MADE THE VIDEO - and seeing if they will accept the constructive criticism - you are censoring the information available to suit your own personal needs.

This can also be turned around. Perhaps you could have talked to the nexus and/or the larger dmt/psychedelic community, gotten some input, done some research, and collaborated with us to make sure your information is correct and useful before making videos proclaiming to tell others how to use DMT.

Freedom of speech is a straw man argument to remove focus from the real issue here, which is the perpetuating of dangerous information. You can say whatever you want, you have that freedom, but you also have to face the consequences of your words and actions. If you spread dangerous information about DMT, you should absolutely expect this community is gonna flag it and call you out on it.

Perhaps you should examine your own personal needs and motivations here rather than questioning those of others. I know someone flagging those videos is doing it in the interest of legitimate harm reduction. You've claimed your motivation is also harm reduction, if that's the case why are we fighting amongst ourselves rather than working together toward our common goal?

I do have to admit the whole tone of this thread comes off very abrasive and I want to apologize for that both personally and as a moderator of this community. I think now would be a good time for all of us to put aside our stubborn BS (belief systems) and our prideful egos and look at what is really in all our best interest. Which I personally believe is going to be sharing accurate information and reducing the potential for harm.
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