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Question about EW's ACRB tek (Step 3 of Cleanup) Options
 
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#1 Posted : 8/10/2015 9:10:56 PM
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Step 3
Now pipette or siphon out all the naphtha along with the brown fatty liquid that sits animated in between the two layers and discard this as it contains the plant fats and oils and no longer contains any alkaloids !!

Now the 500ml acidic water solution contains the dmt !


So after adding the DMT-enriched naphtha to the white vinegar water solution, there's been a transference. The DMT is now in the acidic water. I was wondering how to distinguish the two layers, from a visual standpoint.

1) Will the acid be on the bottom? I'm assuming it's the bottom layer of acid that has the DMT. So I should siphon out the top layer of naphtha? Is this correct? I would assume you always siphon the top layer, but then in Q21's tek, he tells you to siphon the bottom layer in one of the steps. I'm just making sure there's no confusion.

My other question is more general... and it refers to this remark by EW in his tek.

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Later pulls can be done and I suggest to do as many pulls as is required until the bark is spent ! But later pulls done singly don't require a defat and this is a good way of seeing if you're bark is still putting out !q


2) By "defat," I'm assuming the cleanup stage. Why don't later pulls require a cleanup stage?

3) I thought we got all the pulls we could during step 4 of preparing the DMT... notice the part in bold. He says to pull with fresh naphtha 5-6 times. Isn't that all the pulls?? Is there more to pull after the sixth time? Most teks seem to draw the line at the fourth to sixth pull. But I'm confused because he implies that more pulls are possible at the end of the tek by saying "later pulls can be done... [and they wont] require a defat." Here is his step 4 in quotes with the bold part.

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Step 4 /
Before the pulling stage you can leave you're basic soup to cool a little .....
heat up a fair amount of naphtha ( shellite ) in a heat bath and then take approximately 50ml solvent and add to the basic soup mix , now lightly turning end over end or in a circular motion or what ever you feel best suits you , you should do this for a good 45-60 seconds then let it separate fully this can take 3-5 mins , can take longer as the base cools down ( do this a further 3x mixing all up 4x ) now once it's fully separated suck up the naphtha with a pipette , eye dropper or glass syringe , now be very careful not to get any basic soup in with the pulls and collect all pulls in a single glass container now you might notice tiny tiny red specs on the bottom of the pull glass this is microscopic bits of base soup , when handling this glassware be careful not to stir it up !! Don't panic , the most careful ppl will still get this !! Now do this step for at least 5 - 6 times back to back !! Note use fresh naphtha for each pull !
Also you might prefer to leave the last pull separate to all the others so you can evaluate if there's more pulls needed or not .....
 

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#2 Posted : 8/10/2015 9:51:02 PM

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In regards to Question 1.

When salting out the DMT, you are transferring it from your naphtha to you acidic solution. So yes, you are correct on that. The acidic solution (containing DMT) will be the bottom layer. How you siphon it off will be up to you. I generally take the top layer off but you could do it the other way. The goal is to get to the acidic DMT saturated solution.

In regards to Question 2.

I am unsure as to why you wouldn't do the defat on later pulls. And a "defat" is intended to remove extra plant fats and oils to get a purer end product. You can do as many pulls as you want, after all you are the one doing the work. Most people have found that you get most, it not all, the DMT in 4 to 6 pulls. You could keep pulling forever if you wanted but eventually you would be pulling nothing useful.

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#3 Posted : 8/10/2015 11:30:26 PM
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In regards to Question 1.

When salting out the DMT, you are transferring it from your naphtha to you acidic solution. So yes, you are correct on that. The acidic solution (containing DMT) will be the bottom layer. How you siphon it off will be up to you. I generally take the top layer off but you could do it the other way. The goal is to get to the acidic DMT saturated solution.

In regards to Question 2.

I am unsure as to why you wouldn't do the defat on later pulls. And a "defat" is intended to remove extra plant fats and oils to get a purer end product. You can do as many pulls as you want, after all you are the one doing the work. Most people have found that you get most, it not all, the DMT in 4 to 6 pulls. You could keep pulling forever if you wanted but eventually you would be pulling nothing useful.

Good luck


Thanks, that clarifies a lot. I would've accidentally siphoned the top part (naphtha), when I'm supposed to siphon the bottom part (DMT-enriched acid). But I'm glad I asked, because you prefer to just siphon off the top (naphtha) and keep the bottom part (DMT-enriched acid). That seems more efficient.

BTW do you know the reason behind lye not getting trapped in the DMT crystals? It's obviously extremely dangerous, but nobody seems very worried about it becoming part of the end product. I understand the naphtha will evaporate, so you wouldn't really have to worry about it, right? And if there's any naphtha trapped in a crystal, the DMT crystal will probably melt, as the naphtha in it returns to room temperature.
 
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#4 Posted : 8/11/2015 12:19:05 AM

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Lye is water soluble, but not very soluble at all in naphtha, so as long as you keep all the water out of your collection jar, there will not be any lye in your freeze precip.


From this thread

Basically, lye doesn't like to mix in with the Naphtha. So as long as you are careful, you should be fine. Alternatively, if you are still worried about lye contamination you can always do a Recrystallization to remove impurities. In fact, a Re-x is commonplace just to make sure your product is nice and clean. You can re-x several times.
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