^^yes

this is basicly the most sound advice to combat evil entities , Tool swats them like flies

only avoid listening to Tool on DMT , because that would be too extreme

this

We have been trolled. Or guy just had a strong urge to share his experiences with someone, and found The Nexus as a good place for that.

If you were OP, which would be more painful- fully accepting that this experience was a delusion or the delusion itself? Why? (I'm not knocking OPs story).

This whole deal has got me thinking about the nature of stories we tell our selves. True, false, fantasy, fact; the act of telling our own stories or borrowing others tales to tell seems sublimely human. Why do we feel compelled to share them? What do they say about us?

Also, I love you guys. You shared a lot of wisdom, love and positive critical feedback. I learned much.

Agreed, completely.

Im feeling that many folks in this thread probably got trolled, unfortunately.

This is the first time I'm reading through this thread and, wow. Even if the whole feel of the posts are fear-ridden the OP does a great job at describing some of these entities. Some of which I've definitely interacted with on many occasions. I just have very different interpretations is all


I've said this to people and they think I'm absolutely insane. It's the truth! Seriously, try it once and see for yourself I bring Tool with me everywhere I go.

metanoia,

could you please elaborate your view more detailed? every piece of info on the subject is warmly welcome

So did he make up all the entities or what?

Sorry, I didn't see this post until now.

I could easily dedicate an entire thread to this subject alone. I have encountered some of the entities the OP has described. The way he describes him is eerily similar to my experiences.

This is a low level evil entity that I've had to combat on several occasions. I've experienced a higher level (or more intelligent? I'm not sure how to describe it) being that was essentially pure shadow/black. Like a looming cloud of darkness that is all encompassing. This is something else, more of an independent entity that just enjoys pain, suffering, fear, all the negative emotions.

How my view differs from the OP is that I don't see him as a "Tormentor" but rather as the embodiment of dark energy. I have learned many important lessons from this specific entity. I don't see psychedelic experiences as entirely good or evil. It is a mingling of the two, just like everything else.

Besides this one entity I haven't had too many experiences with others of that type. Meaning the entities I've interacted with seem to be on a higher level or existence. I completely agree with his categorization of the lower and higher beings. The majority of the contact experiences I've had with the "lesser" beings were under the influence of mushrooms. DMT and Salvia are primarily the vehicles for these deeper ones.

Through his descriptions of the "Greater" beings I can confirm that I've encountered almost all of them. The one that sounds completely alien to me, never having experienced anything similar, is 'The Legion'. What he calls 'The Triad' and 'The High Priestess' are very familiar to me

This is a spot on description of an entity I encounter often. This 'High Priestess' is an entity I've ran into across multiple substances as well; Salvia, DMT, mushrooms, even once on a dissociative


I encounter this 'Triad' every time I smoke Salvia. They were the first beings I ever made contact with, actually. The bit about them "poking through a portal...from somewhere else" really resonates. I hardly ever visually see them, but they are always in the background beyond my peripheral vision. I always feel their presence, before I even exhale the smoke. It's actually a reliable sign I've come to recognize of me approaching a breakthrough. The stronger the feeling of their presence, the closer I am to Salviaspace.

This piece by Mark P. Maxwell is a great representation of what I understand to be "The Triad". The three beings on the right. They are always there observing.


So I've met a lot of these same entities and I don't believe I've been punished or deceived or tricked. Why? I really can't tell you. My opinion is that the OP became trapped in a cycle of fear and then began to feed that cycle by going into these experiences over and over. Perhaps to convince him/herself of the fact that it was all fake, all a big trick. The reality of it was too much to handle and so the OP created a self-fulfilling prophecy, so to speak. He/She tried too hard to decipher a lot of which may be indecipherable. Delving deep into these spaces can be fraught with dangers, which the OP admitted to. I also didn't realize the depth of what I was getting myself into, but I've always chosen to place some faith in the fact that these are healing medicines. Powerful and when used incorrectly or abused, dangerous as hell. But the entire thing, all of it just being a total farce? There's not enough evidence either way, so I hold out judgment

Perhaps I should attempt to do what the OP did and categorize the entities I've become familiar with. Except write it from a place of love, not a place of fear

metanoia, thanks a lot for the time and effort you are putting into this.



definitly! imagine hoe much more productive this would be compared to an hour of procrastination with cat-videos ^^

much love,
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Interesting thread... If anything, the varied responses to psychedelic experiences we've seen from people are highly intriguing - like people concluding that all entities are the minions of the literal, Christian Devil (why not Mara the Buddhist devil, or Ahriman the Zoroastran devil, or...?), and others asserting they are "angels" who "live the love" (a society that "lives the love" wouldn't need prison guards, and beside, if this planet is a prison, it's more like a concentration camp than anything else)...

I'm not sure that the "clinical" or "hostile" feel of DMT trips is somehow inherent, or just a set-and-setting thing. There is a recent thread where someone described DMT as "being angry with the traveller getting there", which is something I haven't experienced on either my (so far only) DMT breakthrough, or any other psychedelics. If anything, my DMT experience was extremely friendly and emotionally uplifting - and Shulgin has also described machine elves as being welcoming and joyful.

@Syncromystic's and @Metanoia's takes definitely resonate with me.

I have also known a schizophrenic girl whose worldview and attitude was so much like the Op's (and she "managed" to get there without any drugs) that I'm ready to give the benefit of doubt that the Op is a real person who is really having mental health issues. That girl I knew didn't take any advices either, she knew everything best (and beside, other people may be manipulated by the "forces that be". It's sad really.

As for entities... Taking them for enlightened masters, teachers and angels without critique is definitely a trap in my experience.

i read this thread and most of it escapes me.
ive never met anything in hyperspace that could kick my ass.

this is like stargate,
if ya dont like where ya landed, spin the wheel raggedy man.

not trying to be flip,
but 35 yrs of heavy halluciongen use, across the spectra,
left me with respect, but not fear.

when the elves get unruly, i hold up a ruby red slipper,( always the choo's)
and, its heel or be heeled. i dont tolerate being menaced on the yellow brick road.
if anything, entities in hyperspace fear me.

your mind can create them, your mind can also destroy them.
otherwise, shamans would fold after a few trips............

^^^^This

I wholeheartedly concur anne!!!

I too, with 30+ years of heavy hallucinogen use under my belt, have been left with nothing but respect...

...not fear...

Peace

Amazing (& scary) trip report!!! I hope things worked out for NGC!

One man's "entheogen", another's "psychotomimetic". The "alembic" matters, a screwy still yields wacky distillates!

I've played Eve Online, a multiplayer space game, for some time. NGC_xxxx name looks like a game zone, and it's avatar picture it's in my opinion an ingame screenshot.

His story is plagued of Eve lore references. The whole cosmical theme, the term "Goons" wich is the biggest guild, and "Tormentor", "Imp" and "Succubus" are all spaceship models. I even venture to say NGC liked to play small frigates gamestyle. There is more Eve stuff scattered here and there. There is also plenty of non Eve stuff, obviously.

Maybe NGC absorbed plenty of it and simply showed in his experiences/interpretations but I personally find hard to believe that he wasn't aware this is Eve lore and not real encounters.

I think DMT is a mirror, if that helps understanding my point.

Noooooooo not this again

Forty six and two are just in front of me

All I kept saying to myself was "this reads like DMT fanfic." I'm comforted believing this is DMT slash videogame fantasy.

Entertaining post, either way.

OP makes a great long story which I do not think is fiction, but it is psychosis and paranoia which are very real dangers from psychedelic use.

After my very first trips I had a voice in my head that appeared first thing in the morning. If (a) I had worried about this and focused on it, and/or (b) began to think this made me special or was conveying special powers - I could have gone the same way.

A fairly strong personality is needed I think, and although the psychosis/paranoia seems fairly rare on here, its not rare enough. We do I think need to help newbies to enjoy contact with entities, respect but not to take threats or gifts seriously. We are what we are, entities cannot change that - nor can they enhance it, we do that ourselves and owe those changes to nobody else.







I'm a newbie at this stuff but I am with Anne and Doc. When I see something that looks like it crawled out of the rusty end of hell, I look at it and try to understand it - its a great part of the experience. I don't think some people realise how powerful they are, if you are being bullied in hyperspace its like Hodor getting bitch slapped by 3 year old. Not because the entities are weak, some may even be gods as we define them. But you are a god too especially in your own domain.

Western society has taught us to kneel, worship, cower and consider a system of authority. But the gods meet us as equals, and from what I can see there is no Authority, just experiences, emotion and interaction. When you kneel, worship and hand the keys over you are just asking for trouble.

Have you ever wondered what you would look like as an entity to others, your full personality fully symbolised and open to view? Who's to say we aren't just meeting each other in there. What is it we do in those periods we can't remember anyway?