Cannabis has more room for growth, I believe.

It can also be heavily abused, I agree, but if someone takes it, for example, once a month orally, it can be very rewarding, insightful, and powerful.

I do not see alcohol that same way.

I think marijuana is something to stay away from.

Most pot smokers become addicts. Very few pot smokers use it once in a while. I don't know of anyone who smokes pot who doesn't do it everyday. I know such people are out there though. I just never met one. All the pot smokers I know spend hundreds of dollars on it a month and smoke it like its a cigarette, three or more times a day. That's why they call in "chronic". "Chronic" mean habitual. It's not called that for no reason. It is very habit forming.

SWIM knows all about being a pot addict because he was once really badly addicted to it. For SWIM it was an addiction that was more powerful than tobacco, cocaine, and opium combined. Yes, SWIM found it MORE addicting than opium! His life was ruled by the stuff. He was a slave to it. After he quit smoking pot he vowed to NEVER DO IT AGAIN. Now he HATES IT WITH A PASSION.

SWIM will never again be a slave to any drug!

I'm sorry to hear that, ron. I'm glad to hear you beat your addiction though.

I really hope that the government does not make a ban on all species of DMT containing plants. I really don't think it is feasible, but the governments of the world can do some pretty crazy things. I can see DMT starting to move into the main culture. I am starting to read articles of people getting busted for the stuff. I also have friends that tell me how available it is at the festivals. I just really hope that things turn around and dmt can return to the shadows. I really feel that once most people try the stuff a majority of people will not like it because it is too intense. To me it seems to take a special person to really enjoy the deeper experiences that psychedelics in general can give to you.

I also believe that MJ is a very addictive drug. The problem with weed is that it really makes you think that it isn't addictive. Last semester of college was terrible for me because of MJ. I was smoking every day and my grades were terrible. I have still been smoking every day, but I try to make the bad things that happen to me not MJ's fault. When I smoke MJ I don't want to do anything, but sit on my couch watching tv. It is this lazy feeling that has really gotten me to start disliking pot. Without it I actually get up in the morning and get things done that I want to do.

I believe that pot can be used lightly and it is good. You just can't smoke it every day. It clouds your life and makes you not as happy. I have drastically cut back my pot smoking the last few weeks and I am enjoying it. Everything is more clear and I want to do more than sit on my couch.

This new feeling that I have for pot is not something I thought I would ever have. I have always loved it and said I would smoke every day till I die. But my DMT experiences in the past 2 weeks have shown me what I have been missing by smoking pot all the time.

Let's just hope dmt containing plants do not have to go down the same road, because I feel there is so much to be gained from using a substance that is so magical.

~Peace Out

Well, kungpow... you've found that you can't smoke it every day. By enjoying about a .2 gram bowl every night, I do not feel that it is clouding my life whatsoever.

Smoking all day, every day - that is abuse, and usually is not good. When I smoke MJ, I do not feel inebriated. Some do. I also don't feel lazy unless it's a heavy indica strain. Most of the time, smoking a small amount of MJ makes me want to do something. 9 times out of 10 I can't stand sitting around doing nothing high. I'd much, much rather go skateboarding (my passion), go walking, do ANYTHING! But I am me, and me is not you, nor any of you. I feel I can use MJ everyday responsibly, some may say that is ridiculous, some may agree... all I know is that my usage of cannabis has not hindered my life, my progress, my relationships, or my thouhghts. But that is just me. I also don't smoke all day, every day.

Maybe I am addicted. To some, probably.

And if so, I'm completely okay with it. Once (if ever) it starts to envelop my life, that's when it'll become a problem.

I wouldn't really call that an addiction. It doesn't bother your daily life. It is when you see that it is causing problems in your life and you keep doing it. Will I quit smoking weed completely? Probably not. I enjoy smoking it. But I found that I cannot function properly being stoned all day every day. I used to not think it was bad, but now I can see where it causes problems. Slowly but surely I am learning that the key to life is moderation. Just because I find that smoking weed all day every day hinders my abilities to complete what needs to be done through out the day doesn't mean that I am going to go and tell others not to do it.

I wish the rest of the world would see things like this.

I wish the same too. Maybe one day.

Moderation is absolutely important. It usually comes with learning, experience, and growth. Everyone's self moderation is different - but the important thing is to identify it and 'stick' to it. Now, I know that if I only ate/smoked cannabis twice a month instead of daily, I would probably benefit more from it. It changes the intent of the experience, in a way. I simply enjoy being high more regularly, hence why it is easily abused. But I do believe I have it all under control.

Regarding the thread subject, I think there are several considerations:

1) If DMT continues getting more popular, the containing plants might become illegal. However, I think it will happen well after legal highs and RCs are outlawed, because DMT is by nature both less dangerous and less liable to attain widespread popularity. Currently, ethnobotanicals seem to fly under the radar in most countries.

2) Even if they will be made illegal, they will probably still be available from South American companies with covert shipping, just as coca leaves are today, even if they are explicitly illegal under international treaties.

3)The drug war might lose steam in time for the ethnobotanicals to be spared. The last UN drug report and Obama's rhetoric point in this direction, but time will tell if it's just declarative or if they actually intend to.

Ah yes, we definitely derailed this thread with our cannabis talk... lol...

I believe that even if every plant containing DMT were to be banned (which would, quite honestly, be ridiculous), we could still get the seeds to the plants quite easily. Look at cannabis, it is obviously explicitly illegal, yet getting seeds is super easy. You order internationally, covert shipping is used, and as long as you don't order 200+ seeds, even if custom finds them, nothing happens to you, and most likely nothing will happen to the shipper either.

I think it will be absolutely impossible for DMT to be completely outlawed, in the sense that no SWIMmers will be able to get ahold of any plant containing DMT. I think that with time, as long as prohibition continues (in the US), it will become harder, maybe even much harder... but if any SWIMmer wants... he/she can achieve...

Only the police ripping your place apart.
Don't laugh. I'm living in a country, where something like 0,1g pot or a burnt cd can lead to a police raid of your home. There have been cases where people got police visits after buying lamps which are used to grow cannabis. I'm not kidding.

It's a western european country btw.

I'm very sorry to hear that... that's a bunch of bullshit really... but for those in the US, do some sleuthing on some grow forums and you'll see it's very common and easy to get seeds internationally, and those who never receive their shipments simply don't receive them.

Let me guess... France?

In any case you should clean out your house when expecting a shipment, or order to the house of a law-abiding friend.

And if they smash your stuff and find nothing, can't you sue them for damages or something?

Fact.

Who knows.. It's totally possible.. that's my answer.. I've seen Salvia demonized already, we all have, but think about it.. it's smokable in it's original form and produces experience some say rival DMT in psychoactive potency.. That makes it have a red flag.. If they got around to banning substances that mainly smart internet-obsessed psychonauts are using to extract, then I'd expect they'd end up going through a lot of other things that are still unbelievable available... poppy pods.. all cannabinoid smoking blends.. kratom.. I'd imagine ready-to-use and easy-to-use stuff goes first.. Kratom, at least, is gross tasting.. We're not as likely to get the same variety of idiot using Kratom as the ones picking up Salvia at their corner headshop and smoking it while they're skateboarding.. in a joint.. lol stupid kids..

All we can do is our best to educate these people.. but they'll always be around, ruining it for the rest of us.. Here's to hopin that phalaris could actually be a viable plant to extract.. it grows wild here.. I gotta search for anyone who actually tried an a/b extraction on it.. or the wheat grass juicer thing, or both combined to make it easier.. I remember researching it, a lot of people talking about gramine or something.. something bad about the phalaris.. Oh well.. Hmm..

If you see things that should never be in a head shop at the head shop, maybe you could talk to the people who run it.. tell them it's irresponsible and while lucrative, they're hurting the community of people who actually use these substances beneficially.. and probably ruining all possible future research on the various compounds in the plants that would be up for banning.. Also, can nothing be done to fight psychedelic bans with religious freedom? I mean, they'd accuse us of just saying that to try to get 'away with it', but exploring my mind and the pursuit of truth is my honest-to-god religion.. I don't see why we couldn't organize if it were banned.. tell them it's not right because we believe in the chemical the same way other churches do.. like that Santo Daime or however it's spelled.. or peyote use among native americans.. There's a legal precedent protecting it for THEM, but why shouldn't the same constitutional rights be allowed for it's own citizens?

I'm sure if that worked, there would be a thriving psychoactive-sacrament-using church.. it probably would have been around since.. I dunno.. the 60's? But seriously, no joking around, why can't religious freedom protect the citizens of the US if it can protect other culture's uses of substances like these.. Who cares if it's indigenous to the area's history and whatnot.. If that's the prerequisite for something to be 'allowed to be a church' then we truly have no religious freedom.. that's a ridiculous requirement for freedom of religion.. that the religion has to be old to be one.. How can any new ideas start? How can any new movements ever get off the ground? Maybe that's the way to go. I know I'd sure as hell join an organization that fights to protect my rights to practice my own blend of spirituality.. Many others would as well.. To be taken seriously, it'd need some screening to keep people just doing it so they can get loaded out.. and that is a hard thing to do, I'm sure..

I've been having crazy pipe dreams.. don't laugh.. and please don't tell the mental hospital staff..
but I wake up in the land full of mushrooms.. fireballs of doom, piranha flowers in full bloom
It don't stop there, it sounds insane, but there's a princess in peril that calls out my name
"MARIO!", I don't know how she knows me though, but she's fine as hell and has an ass like 'whoa'

I was having pipe dreams.. remembered a rap song by "Mad Hatter" about the Mario games.. Pretty funny.. Not related.

Ending the serious dicussion on a light note?

Love it