Started this in another thread, here: http://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=64177#post64177



Hmm, so no major differences in the level of visual hallucination? SWIM's trying to figure out whether the brew he had of san pedro was so similar to LSD because of high mescaline levels, or because of the other alkaloids. As in, could SWIM reach that level with the torch (and if so what might be a recommended dosage?), or should he try an extract of san pedro?

SWIM also recalls reading somewhere that achuma is the closest to peyote and was wondering how accurate this was.

So far, SWIM hasn't exceeded 400mg of acetate extract of peruvian torch and, from bioassay, would imagine reports of this being relatively low in alkaloids other than mescaline to be accurate, as the experience has usually been fairly wired though clear-headed, and has had a strong body buzz. All of his experiences so far have been been from oven-dried/melted product, but he's gone as low as 200mg and experienced threshold psychedelia. His next experience will be with 400mg of air-dried product, and he will report any noticeable differences.


Basically this thread is to discuss the differences in effects of different species of Trichocereus and their dosages (specifically of full range acetate extracts).

There are differences. The visuals from the Torch are the most colorful, sharpest, and the visuals from Pedro and Achuma are more dream-like, softer, smoother. Torch is the most like LSD. Achuma is the most like Peyote.



Yes, SWIY is more likely to get those effects from the Torch, however, the Torch is more of a hit or miss in terms of potency.



Yes, according to SWIM Achuma is the most like Peyote and the least like mescaline.



I’m excited to see those findings!



I hope more people can give feedback on the differences. SWIM has argued about the effects of Achuma with other people quite a few times. For Achuma we surely need several more people to give a more accurate picture of Achuma’s effects. Some people say Achuma is extremely stimulating. SWIM found Achuma more dreamy and relaxed than the others. SWIM finds the Torch to be the most stimulating.

Is bridgesii more visual,or less than torch/pedro?

They are all visual, but the nature of the visual effects differs. The visuals of Achuma are the softest and dreamiest, more ayahuasca-like, the visuals of the Torch are the sharpest and most colorful and more LSD-like. That’s only SWIM’s opinion.

Why is SWIM the only one offering info here? Surely someone else has some knowledge about the three! We’re going to get a very warped view of this subject unless at least a few other SWIMs jump in here to offer their opinions on the three.

SWIM is convinced that typical tanish/reddish acetate extracts (even from peruvian) require a much higher dosage than pure mescaline HCl for full-on psychedelia. SWIM did about 500mg, and didn't get much more out of it than he did with 400mg or even 250mg (mild OEV and CEV w/ body buzz and cottonmouth indication psychedelic intoxication). Next time, SWIM will kick it up to 700mg. This being said, the high yields from the nontoxic tek may be a little misleading.

Amor_fati, SWIM has pure white mescaline HCl and the acetate extracts, and he finds the acetate extracts to be slightly more powerful for San Pedro and the Torch, and MUCH MORE powerful for Achuma. I wonder why SWIM and SWIY have different reactions?

SWIM's been thinking and trying to recall his experiences a bit more clearly. He thinks that the 400mg he took before this last time was more powerful than the 450+mg he took last time, and that this last time was closer to what 250mg was like the first time he did it. SWIM didn't oven dry the last pull and feels it may have had fairly significant moisture content, though it was waxy. The previous doses he's taken were much more dense, oven dried, and more like hash. Perhaps this could account for such variability?

69ron, what's the minimum SWIY has to take for full, rich psychedelia with SWIY's acetate extracts of torch?

SWIM needs 200 mg for a complete psychedelic experience. At 75 mg it's just very slightly psychedelic.