Hello everyone! First i want to say that i am writing this on a tablet so you WILL see mistakes .

As the title says it i am having trouble with the tincture tek.
Based on some rereading i have come up with several conclusions and i just want you, the more expirienced, to give me some tips on what to do next.

So... i mixed the ACRB (around 70g) with vinegar ( the vinegar i am using is 6% apple vinegar if that matters) and hot water.... stirred and then added 4 spoons of the lime that is on the picture( i hope i manage to upload photoes). The consistency, compared to ones ive seen on the net was too liquidy in my opinion that is why i added so much lime. Anyways i let the bark stay for up to 24 hrs like this with stirring every few hours. The mix was forming a darkened top when left like describedd in the guide, though it was a bit more like dark brown. As soon as you stir it a bit you see the grey colour pops out and the mix turns greyish. So after the 24 hrs i added xylene to the mix( around 150ml since some of it was absorbed by the basic mix?). The xylene stayed on top above the mush. I tried to stir aound the mush with chopsticks so all the bark comes in contact with the solvent. I left the solvent there for 20-25 mins.And then poured the top layer ( solvent) into a jar. I added the same vinegar to the solvent in the jar and agitated it periodically for 10 mins. I took the bottom layer (acetic acid) with the help of a glass syringe and put it in a separate container. I added hot water again to the solvent and gathered up most whats left. The 'dmt acetate' ( i hope) was then put on high temp to start boiling and when it reached around 30-50ml i lowered it down. As the tincture colour ( dark yellow ,a bit brown) was reached i sucked around 5-6ml. Those mls were then put on a spoon and further evaporated. I was watching carefully for dark smoke in case im burning the dmt. At first i was panicing because there was some dark smoke coming but later figured out that it was coming from the overburned bottom of the spoon . I have pic of the final product which i will try to upload. So finally... SWIM had a final product. He out 1/3 of the wax on the inside of a paper and filled it with weed. During the smoke SWIM felt the same feeling when he had smoked before and was sure there was some dmt in there. Breakthrough did not occur. Even though i smoked the whole J which was filled with about 1g of W. So this is the story cut short,

My questions are- Swim didnt reach what he was looking for because he did not smoke it right ad because there was not enough wax concentrated in 1 place and rather small pulls with more weed blew up the scheme?

After i did the first pull some xylene is let in the mix. Will it be safe to microwave it now so i reach for a bettter consistency and try again with another pull?. Swim still has some wax left so he will probably try to smoke it again in 2-3 days when he has the time but from a bong or a pipe ( sandwitched inbetween herbs) Since this is my 2nd fail of this tek, in a way i want to ditch it and try with naphta, but i keep thinking to myself that i am really close to it it is just i am doing some minor things wrong.


A bit info: swim has smoked in total 4 times of which first 2 were bought. 1 a major fail with smoking in a light bulb. 2 was the ultimate trip which consisted of me putting the powder inbetween the weed i rolled in several thick layers. The try was a total success. Ever since then i said to myself i would only smoke if swim made it. i tried the same thing a while ago but with shredded bark nad screwed up a bit the mixture though i still reached end product which was nothing more than making swim's head light. The end product he smoked yesterday felt a lot closer to what it should be.

IF this post in any way is not situated in the right place please do move it. I hope i do not sound like the typical guy that posts threads here and there because i have done a lot of reading on it and am a bit confused as to what ive done wrong.
Thank you in advance for the help ladies and gentlemen!

Attention: post might be a bit wrecklessly/chaoticly structured due to swim not haing much time.

The uploaded photoes are of the lime whih i want to question you if this is the right one.
The other 1 is with the already done tincture on the spoon ( good thing i made a pic of it, it was because it looked as if there was a formed face there )
Third one is the mix of bark,lime,vinegar,water and a bit of xylene left from the 1st pull that is why now it looks even more liquidy.
Hope this makes things more understandable for you guys.

Peace and Love <3

Hello there it seems like you have been busy!



Was your ACRB powdered? As for the vinegar, I would recommend 5% distilled white vinegar as stated in the tek. I mean it would probably still work but I have never used apple vinegar. Anyway, so far so good.



More lime won't hurt (you want a 3:4 ratio of lime to bark but more is okay). If your mixture is too soupy try adding more lime. If it is too thick, add small amounts of water until you reach the proper consistency. Your lime should be pure calcium hydroxide. Mrs. Wages pickling lime is perfect for this and can be bought online and regular stores in the canning section.



This is normal!



When I "salt" out the DMT into the vinegar I do it 3 times with 25-50ml fresh vinegar. Then I do one more salting with water. This will ensure that you get most of the goodies out of the Xylene (I like to use D-limo, though).



While this works, I prefer to use my food dehydrator to evaporate my goodies down to a goo. (If you want crystals than a mini a/b cleanup would do the trick) I then scrape my dryish goo, weigh it, dissolve it into iso, add/dissolve freebase harmalas, and then add your preferred smokable herbs. Evap the iso fully and you're good to go. now you can rip it in bowls, bongs, joints or whatever you fancy the most. IME it is much easier to work with this Changa material than it is to sandwich your goo or smoking other forms of freebase DMT.



Not sure exactly what you are asking but with full spectrum jimjam from ACRB there are other actives in the final product such as NMT and beta carbolines therefore dosing is not as accurate as pure DMT. I would highly recommend a different smoking method. Sandwich method in a water bong is your best bet next to making enhanced leaf or changa.



I would not put anything like that in the Microwave. If you want it to become a drier mixture you will have to let it evaporate naturally over the course of a few days or you could add more lime. However if it is not too too soupy, I would just add some more Xylene and do another pull, then salt out, etc. etc.

So anyway I hope this helps. I still highly recommend you look into making your product into enhanced leaf or changa especially when using ACRB goo! Well that is my two cents!

Have a good day

First of all I would like to thank you for the fast reply and also the time spent doing it.

Yes, my ACRB is powdered.

-Somewhere in the forums i came up to a thread where they discussed it was ok for a 6 % that is why i got this vinegar but i will change it. You are right it is better to have fewer things as 'improvisations'.

-Well i am 99% sure it is the right lime but i posted the pic just so some1 can confirm me this 1% so i take this ''problem'' aside.

-About the salting step i will take your advice in concern though the only reason why i did it like this is due to the fact that i read that it is better to not keep the vinegar for a lot with the xyelene because it absorbs more fats and other impurities. Anyways next pull ill do it like you said I hate that xylene shit, but it is the only thing i can afford right now economic-wise and on the other hand i really could not find any d-limo in my country so i will have to order it online.

-I took the wax/goo with a bud and left the rest in the freezer. I want to try the #2 tek but i cannot seem to find a clean enough naphta and i would have to order one online again...tomorrow i will ask here and there.

-I am new to changa so i do not really know how to do it. And those harmalas i need to order them online again i guess, so urrently it is not an option though i would have it in mind. The thing with the food dehydrator is new to me aswell and i do not have such equipment so i guess for now mine will do fine ? In other words changa is when you mix it with a herb like Mary or it MUST be harmalas,

-I meant that i did not reach the desired ''beakthrough'' like the one i felt te first time, but i felt i was going there so it must have been that i smoked too much weed and less dmt, next time i will sandwich it in my bong and see if that was the problem.
The thing with the microwave i read today in a thread so i though it would do fine, same as like putting it in an oven. It is just that the xylene left there in the mix bothers me whether it would react in some way.But all in all i will try to dry it out a bit so it is closer to the one the tek is requiring.


Once again thank you a lot for the response i am looking forward to continuing the journey with your recommendations for near future.

Hey no problem! That is what we do at the Nexus...we help each other!

Your 6% vinegar should work fine I was just a little unsure of the "Apple" part of it. I have never used it so I can't really say!

In regards to your lime, in the pic it looks gooey. Is that what it looked like after being mixed with water or...? On the ingredients it should say "Calcium Hydroxide (Lime)" and is a powdery substance until mixed with liquid of course!

You are right when it comes to not letting the vinegar and xylene stay in contact for a long time. The goal is to get the DMT to move from the Xylene to the vinegar without any "extras" coming too. But since you are doing the "full spectrum jimjam party" it is inevitable that some plant fats and oils will come along. Usually mixing/swirling for a few/couple of minutes is enough for this step.

Changa, in short, is when you infuse DMT and Harmalas into your favorite smoking herb.

Enhanced leaf is when you infuse DMT into your favorite smoking herb with no harmalas. You could use MJ if that is your favorite although some say it clouds the journey a bit.

For more info on Changa click HERE or for enhanced leaf (which I recommend for newcomers) click HERE

You can extract Harmalas out of Syrian Rue seeds using water, vinegar, Rock salt, and sodium carbonate and the tek is very easy.

Also you do not need a dehydrator but it is useful so yes, your method will work. Just be careful when boiling that vinegar down. When I used your method I did a double boiler method (a pot of water with a small towel/wash cloth at the bottom. Then I set a glass container with the vinegar in it on top of the cloth so it doesn't touch the pan directly. Then proceed to boil on med-med high heat until it gets to the level you want.

Lastly, the leftover xylene in your mixture will not harm it. The basic soup will always suck up some of your solvent. When you add more xylene (or reuse from your first pull) it will simply mix with the rest of the xylene. I like to use fresh solvent for the first couple of pulls and then I start reusing it once I get into the 4th and 5th pulls and so on.

Good luck!

Fast response scores again !

I will get another vinegar for sure.

Hmm the white thing you see on the photo is exactly how it is(the lime). I live in eastern europe and here we have a different name for it, i mean the market name. It is onlly sold in bulks of 10kgs where i found it and it is watery a bit like cream. The packaging is like a plastic pack filled with this cream. I bought it at a place where they sell mostly construction things for the price of around 1.5-2 euros or the 1 kgs. ( I am begining to panic if maybe this really is not it :O)

Gotcha on the salting!

Thank you for the info on changa i would try to get my hands on rue seeds for sure.

What do you mean for the boiling step?That when i boiled it directly, meaning put it in a steel container and boiled it on the heater, that this way the dmt gets destroyed?You simply leave a cloth inbetween the heater and the container?Cause i left it at max at first and the mix ( with a bit of water inside) was bubbling. After it was at around 50ml i lowered the temp and was gradually running the whole substance through the container so vinegar evaporates as soon as it touches another heated up part? ( <<<Correct me if i am wrong about this)

Gotcha with the xylene pulling tips!

I will post soon some more results... Cheers!
Peace n Love

Sorry about the boiling confusion. I was just mentioning another way that it could be done. The method you described in your original post will work just fine. DMT is not so easily destroyed while in a vinegar/water solution.

Apple cider vinegar will work, but you'd wanna use it straight. Cider vinegar will contain it own tannins and sugars. Cider vinegar also has a higher pH (White vinegar ~2.2, apple cider ~4.5). A longer acd soak is usually fastest way to improve yields.

As for boiling, use a double boiler. 6-8L pot 3/4 filled with simmering water into which the Vessel containing DMT solution is placed.Don't let it get above 90C during the acid step, down to no higher than 65C during the base step.

To reduce costs I use dilute HCl (0.01M) and NaOH. They neutralise to NaCl (which you add anyway), don't cause a CO2 forming neutralisation (which makes the process quicker) and require far smaller volumes. $12 for 5L of HCl (dilutes to about 5000L), $16 for 2kg of NaOH (require about 40-50g for a 100g batch).

Just my recommendations anyway keep exploring and find the way you like it best. Nothing is perfect, there is more than one way to apply the art of science.

Thank you for the tips!


Just a few things to Make it sound more simple:
1.When i am at the step where you have to evaporate the dmt acetate i will use a water bath?!
90 degrees during acid step ( exactly when i am evaprating the vinegar?
65 degrees max for base step? Which would be that ? sorry i got a bit confused.

2.With my vinegar since pH is higher,meaning less acidic i will have to soak for longer. But at which point? At first when i add the vinegar to the bark with hot water or when i have the solvent(xylene) containing dmt and i am agitating it with the vinegar? Changing it anyways just wanted the extra info .

3.I think next time when i am making another mix with acrb i will add just bark and vinegar +lime,since my lime is a bit more cream-like and i think that is why i do not reach the needed consistensy. Or next time i will try to put it in the oven to dry it out a bit before adding any xylene for pulling.

Hi its me again. I just did my second pull with xylene to fast forward things for tomorrow ( i will finish it tomorrow).Pull was done with around 100-150ml(bark is around 70g) Now when i did this pull i realised 2 things:

1. When i put the xylene in the mix it stays dark brown.The 2 layers are still separate of course.Does that mean that the lime is not much? Even though im sure ive put more than enough lime:bark ratio, do mind my lime is creamy like on the pic.

2. The xylene from the pull which i precipitated in a glass bottle is not clouded at all to be honest!(check pic) it stays transparent. I hope it is normal but still this might be due to different than required pH of mix ? I am just guessing here.... anyways thanks in adavance i am sure some more competent person than me will solve my ''mystery''


Edit:sorry for the shi**y quality of the photo, but at the same time you can still see no sign of clouds there

If you have put enough lime (assuming your lime made your mix basic enough) into your mix you should be fine. The xylene and the basic mixture will remain separate. That is why you must stir/mix it up so that the xylene makes contact with as much of the bark as possible. It (xylene) "grabs" the DMT during this step.

Some pulls will be cloudier than others depending on how saturated your xylene is. Sometimes on my first pull it is not very cloudy at all. But when I get to the 2nd or 3rd pull it usually starts getting cloudier. This is in reference to D-limo but NP solvents tend to behave in a similar manner.

Also, BongWizard was mentioning some different ways/steps to acidify and basify. He was also talking about using HCL as an acid instead of vinegar and NaOH (Sodium Hydroxide, also known as Lye) as a base instead of lime.

When I put my water and vinegar into my mix in the beginning of the tek I boil some water and then let it cool a bit before pouring/mixing it into the plant material. 300-400ml (I usually use about 200ml vinegar and 200ml hot [but not boiling] water) of liquid is generally all I need for a 100g extraction.

I hope this helps clear the air a bit for you.

I realise i had left you like this hanging . Thank you about the info that clarified a lot about it. Till now ive gotten spice like this once and it was not actually enough for breakthrough. I got the dizzy feeling an started medditating, but it turne out that i had falled asleep or smth ( i was a bit tired). The weed with which i smoked it must hae helped a lot and i woke up in the same position after 3 hours out of a sudden feeling of falling. It was strange.... the taste was too vinegary even though it was already like a wax. Probably shoul have hold it in the spoon with lighter for longer. I coul feel the dmt taste though and everything it is just a lot different than when i smoked crystals in a J. Today i am waiting for some xtals to form from Cybs max ion tek and i hope the result is firstly- smmokable and secondly- pretty amazing.

So oncec again to clarify why i started this post is to simply thank you for the 'quick hand'.

No problem!

Lime is a powder. I don't know what that gooey substance is, could you post what the package says the ingredients are please?

It only says the common name for calcium hydroxide in my country nothing detailed... anyways some progress to post - i tried with cybs tek. The end product is little to none. Its in a goo form when naphta evaporates.

I am using acacia and did not do the acid step right probably because i only added vinegar(hot) to water and put bark there like this for an hour at a water bath( only a bit heat) . Then added the salt and lye. The mix was looking how it should be. Even though i did a stupid defat with white spirits that i totally messedup ( do keep in kind) . I added the naptha ( pre-heated) .mix it for 10-15min. Bottle was held in low to mid heat bath. Shook a few times and waited for it to settle then sucked it and into freezer.
no crystals just minor minor goo which in fact i was able to feel it hit me (1 step before take-off probably.

Besides messing uo a bit with defat could there be another problem?
Considering all amounts for 60g bark extract were followed by the 0.1 g.
can i do something now to fix the problem with the absence of crystals?
should i boil bark +vinegar+ water a bit for acid step or just adding preheated is okay?
lastly should i consider ordering mimosa if i find instead of acrb. Im in eastern europe and i am wondering if this order wont be a lot riskier than acrb.

Thanks guys and sorry for my usual chaotic writing.
EDIT: my naphta is petroleum ether.

Stitch...I hate to tell you this but it sounds like the bark you have is either NOT ACRB or is very low quality.
If you can get Mimosa, you will be much better off...just be careful.

Yeah i guess that is how things are... was expecting it... anyways besides the money i spent i do not regret anything... the whole process was amazing... the only bad 2 parts were the stench of chemicals and the other one was me hotbathing a jar that had xyelene and it popped leaving xylene in cooking pot which caught on fire on a gas stove... no worries its all cool. The burst of adrenaline was ... insane that made me learn and respect that this is no game.
Anyways thank you all for the support. I will be on the hunt for mimosa.
Btw cyb can you answer me the part where i said i did not acidify much the bark.
i mean i added hot vinegar ( 6% apple) to water with the bark.I was heat bathing it for med temp. Before adding the salt. My questions is - Do i need to boil the vineg+water+bark mix for a while ? with/without lid ? Or they is unnecessary if you freeze/thaw bark + water ?

You can Freeze Thaw and you can Acid soak...You can do both ... it can't hurt and will most likely help.
NEVER boil the mix...
With Acid soaks just warm the mix...45-50c...that's hot tap/shower temp...don't over heat (it causes problems later).

Thanks Cyb!
Gratitude and respect out.

Hey guys, will high Purity (98.5%) d-limo work fine (i found a good online source, though the shipping is sheer robbery!)? I'm also considering doing a vinegar extraction on some PH seeds to make some changa. https://www.erowid.org/p...n_rue_extraction5.shtml

Also good luck with your extraction stitch! I hope mine goes well. I'm thinking of working with higher increments of ACRB if the solvents are good, does anyone recommend starting with less even if the solvents are of fair quality? i'm a brand new beginner so i just want everything to go smoothly.

Not meaning to steal your thread stitch, just thought i'd ask because i'm doing the same thing relatively soonish. Thanks guys <3

No problem dude i am not a guy that will get offended for having his thread 'flooded'. That being said,,,, i thnk the dlimo will do fine. It really is expensive... on the net there are ifferent varities from 95% and up, the price scales a lot with it aswell as far as i have seen. Main tip for you my fried is do your research right ! that i what i learned from unucessfu extraccts .

What do you mean high increments ? Bigger amounts per extration?
My persona opinion is No.
Work your way throughout the tek 1-2 times with 50 g amounts. Believe me the process is so easy but after all if you ar doing sothing we are chasing perfection which tends to require effort,reading and patiece. You want bulk amounts so you get done with it fast or? i personally enjoy extracts.... + it is more eficient to do severa small pulls.
Anyways just my 2 noob cents. I do not tell you how to do but simply advise you.
My extrat will hav to wait till i get a new order of mimosa... one that is proper which means i will screw another batch or smth,,,, so I hope in a month and 1/2 i would do another try, I will us up the time to do deeper researches.
Last but not least: having the right reagents is key to success!
Triple check if everything is how it should be, starting even from questioning your vinegar etc,

Hope this helped