Perhaps it's the 5-MeO-DMT who is the real culprit behind these staggers?
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...we was trying different methods of non-labourious p.brachystachys seed saving and the other day while hanging our laundry we accidently come up with this method and it rocks.
Holding the inflorences upside down and shaking them a little (if one shakes to hard/green seeds will fall out) over an empty laundry basket, we never collected so many seeds so easily.
The seed still require some cleaning but most of the seed (99.9%) are ripe ones. With this method for weeks we had everyday a lot of seeds except on rainy days.

Sharetheseeds.me intezam.

Clearing up some cloudy info.
Turns out naphtha used on Phalaris Stenoptera seed heads was the excess solvent from an Acacia experiment.
Person noted unique effects but in all honesty and probability its most likely dmt that stayed in the solvent.

To validate, no entheogenic effects from Phalaris Stenoptera per se. The person did say a goo was obtained which may have been a mixture of Acacia and Phalaris constituents.

My own experience smoking fresh flowers one evening in the spring still holds true. Mild ripples in the vision with expanded cognition.

In a 1973 alkaloid screening of P. Arundinacea showed alkaloids to be present in small concentrations in the inflorescence. Tests by Frelich I believe. In 2009 similar tests were conducted finding .1-.2% fresh weight trypt and 1% dry weight trypt were also noted for upper leaves.
Tests were by binder blodgett currin caudell cherney and leroith.
If anyone has read Garden of Eden by Snu Voogelbreinder, P. Arundinacea is mentioned having up to 2.75% alkaloids.

I was looking at a study where a plastic bag was filled with a radioactive gas (for easy detection) was applied to a mother tree (so the leaves would absorb it). Radioactivity was then detected in some of the younger trees surrounding the mother.

The study shows cooperation among families for nutrition and space. Where as there was a war going on between non-related plants even of the same species.

Point is if stress is a factor in the production of dmt should we mix seeds from different venders so to stress the plants?


any guess's? lol

I'm afraid my experience does not vibe with these claims. I'll let the data speak for itself here.

Feel free to double check my work and let me know if you need clarification on anything or if you come across any flaws in my technique or anything I may have missed.

Stalking the Reed Canarygrass

here is the actual data from endlessness via gas chromatography of a wild arundinacea extract I sent to him..

1% DMT, 1% NMT, 4% 5meoNMT, 1% 2MTHBC, 16% 6MeO2MeTHBC and 1% gramine. That is the % that made up the extract btw..not dry or wet weight of raw plant material..

That extract was pretty damn impure..probly like 1/4 pure or less alkaloid material so up those numbers a bit..and concider that it was late fall harvest which according to older data is when beta carboline levels have risen and tryptamine levels dropped so the 16% could potentially represent tryptamines durring the peak of summer etc, with lesser beta carboline levels. This is all speculation atm. All I know is that there is actives in these extracts.

As you can see, any claims of even close to 1% alkaloids in arundinacea need to be verified against the background of much more recent data.

I have never personally found wild arundinacea that is void of tryptamines, though the content is extremely low and comprised of more than just DMT.

Dreamer I enjoyed your piece
Will keep it as reference
Literature is variable
Phalaris is too.
Most info related to phalaris is misinformation . It would be good starting now to get consistent data from various regions.
Were finding some patches which are powerful and some not too impressive. This is exciting nonetheless. This a plant we are far away from understanding fully.
Personally I do not trust the phalaris literature for the most part and my own experiences have brought me closer to this plant teacher and less susceptible to providing a negative "set" thinking this plant is going to be toxic when ingested.
There is a dosage for everything.
We don't usually eat pounds of food in one sitting so why do that with grass were barely familiar with?
Dosages in the 10-15g range orally have never given any nausea for me and is a good method for detecting psycho activity. Phalaris brachystachys tea has by far been ths most encouraging brew in contrast to acacias.
This is all subjective.
Jamie, did you vaporize the assayed extract?
There are a ton of potentially active maoi beta carbolines in there including the tryptamine Nmt.
I hope the information I am sharing is a tad bit helpful, though I know we all have different diets, mindsets, drive, and compassion for weaving our ways through this life.

I think that I've found Aquatica and Arundinacea in my area. I will upload pictures tomorrow. Does anyone know if there are Phalaris species which contain DMT without gramine?

Afaik, virtually all phalaris species contain gramine, some in lower concentrations some in higher. Bracystacys and aquatica would be more suitable than that over arundinacea, considering their different gramine results, however they are also higher in 5-Meo. Plus, gramine isn't that dangerous, a very small amount is unlikely to harm.

Chimp Z would know more about other species of phalaris.

IANS, hybridization would eventually occur, or a confusion.
I imagine if anything it'd give you a mixture of alkaloids and the best way to spike the nitrogen levels would be weekly applications of ammonium sulfate.

Phalaris Paradoxa(Hood Canary Grass), P. Coeruelescens(Sunol Grass), P. Platensis, P. Amethystina, and P. Truncata may or may not.
P. Truncata would be a lower alkaloid version of P. Brachystachys with inflorescence similar to a mixture of P. Platensis/P. Coerulescens.
I know South American varieties like p. platensis or p. amethystina have no search able data or tests performed. P. Angusta contains the usual alkaloids but supposedly with an unknown tryptamine. P. Angusta is also very small usually and low in alkaloids.

P. Coerulescens and some others contain coerulescine which is an ox-indole. Not to familiar with that but the grass has had dmt detected in it

A grass that needs work and has the most abundant and affordable seeds would be P. Canariensis. And its beautiful and fits nicely in your garden. Like a big friendly giant version of P. Brachystachys.

Taken from "Peyote: Divine Cactus" by Edward F. Anderson.

Information on Hordenine

Possible antibiotic actions:
Despite the fact that the modern medical profession does not use peyote therapeutically, many Native Americans persist in their belief that it can do much that synthetic, drugstore-type medicines cannot. The widespread claims of therapeutic value by both Native Americans and early physicians encouraged scientists to search for a substance or substances in peyote that might be medically significant. These studies have resulted in the isolation and identification of several naturally occurring alkaloids that have physiological actions similar to other medically used alkaloids, such as strychnine and morphine. Another series of investigations dealt with possible antiobiotic actions of peyote. James McCleary and his colleagues at California State University, Fullerton, studied the effects of peyote extracts on in vitro cultures of eighteen penicillin-resistant strains of the bacteria Staphylococcus Aureus(McCleary,Sypherd, and Walkington 1960, 247-249). All strains tested were inhibited by a water soluble, crystalline substance that had been extracted from peyote. It was named "peyocactin" by the MCleary group, but its actual identity was not determined at the time. The same research team also tested the in vivo effectiveness of "peyocactin" on mice that had been inoculated with toxic strains of Staphylococcus Aureus; their results showed a definite inhibitory action on the bacteria. They also found other cacti that inhibited at least some of the bacterial strains tested, but none were as broadly effective as peyote(MCleary and Walkington 1964). "Peyocactin" was later identified by G. Subba Rao(1970) of the National Institutes of Health as the alkaloid Hordenine(N,N-Dimethyl-hydroxyphenylethylamine). This substance is known to have a weak activity similar to epinephrine and is antiseptic as well. Jerry McLaughlin and A.G. Paul (1966) concluded that "peyocactin" (hordenine) has a definite in vitro antiseptic action gainst a wide spectrum of microorganisms(325). On the other hand, their attempt to duplicate the in vivo mice experiments of McCleary and his associates did not yield the same results.

is this a viable option?

Yes this is a completely viable option and honest to the Grass Gods this is some of the truly most healing beneficial medicine I have absorbed within my soul and skin.

150g Fresh Elaeagnus Umbellata
Clippings of Strawberry mint, Apple mint, Salvia Officinalis(Sage), and Melissa Officinalis(Lemon Balm).
Humongous handful of P. Arundinacea 'Yugo Red' cut two feet from the tips. Felt around 30-40g though I may be a little low on the estimate. Juiced 60g of P. Aquatica last year that was smaller fitting in my hand.
With personal explorations of plants I prefer to let the plant guide an intuitive dose. Pays off.

Poured boiling water over the plant material and began a quick afternoon cook-off of some of my loveliest plant friends. Simmered for a few hours and bottled up the contents into a 16fl oz glass container.

Walked around town for a few hours before resting in a nice forest location near a lake surrounded by the ringing essence of Reed Canary Grass.

Drank the brew in around 30 min and surprisingly was one of THE BEST TASTING BREWS I have tasted that contains beta carbolines and tryptamines.

Effects came immediately.
I had dosed on 150g dried Peruvian Torch(T. Peruvianus) last week and everything I felt 4-5hours into it quickly became apparent again.
Seemed like it re-sparked the "Torch" energy!
There was this thought I had amidst the onset of delightful effects:
"how is it that it takes 4 hours to get to the cactus kingdom sometimes and I'm currently in the same seat in 5 minutes and didn't conduct a 10-20 hour boil?"
Transcripts of revelations scrolled through my brain and felt this soulful presence from the trees so bold and aware of what was being shown to me. 3 birds of sinister vibration landed on a tree in front of me. Blowing a gentle "arcana" in to the wind they quickly took off again.
Sometimes I wonder if sorcerers send their minions to watch.
Crebain from Lord of the Rings would be the best metaphor.

About 2 hours pass like nothing and I'm sweetly relaxing on the dirt path.
Allergies had been plaguing my reality since the warm season sprouted the flowers and grass pollen to attack my nostrils.
This brew completely dismantled the allergy problem and gave such a cleansing feel.
Filled in every crack the Trichocereus Peruvianus hadn't cemented in yet.
There's a union with the grass and cactus and I'm not sure what it is.
Possibly they share the ability to synthesize the same exact phenethylamine!

Everything wore off after 2 hours.
A travelling rap gang flocked into the forest and busted into my scene.
Not worried of any vibrational fibrillation I sat and allowed myself to tolerate this episode of obscenity. Stealing lyrics from 2Chainz and Rich Gang, their charisma and presentation was sharp, though short-sighted. They got down next to me and said, "yo we seen this dope bag outside the coffee shop and cops walked right over it, so we got it! we got some free meth!" Straight and simple. So the rapper who told this to me pulls the baggie out and snorts a fat dose; sticks their nose right in the bag.
I begin packing my things up because, as much as I enjoy and appreciate this absurdly unique and heinous dystopia I'm a part of, I felt the need to exercise my mind elsewhere and focus on the plants and birds sweetly singing along with the wind.
They said I was leaving because I looked down on their parade, in actuality I told them, "there's much better things out there to pursue".

So before leaving I decided to bust out a sweet wrap myself. Sending a shock of calming sensations to their antennae intending to distribute the love the grass showed me. They dug it.
I left and walked around a little more, elated from the strong presence of these plant teachers of whom I had cultivated for the last seasons.

Conclusion and effects:
Immediate onset. Reminiscent of rue for the first 20 minutes.
Staring into the trees "saucer-like" craft began forming as silhouettes to the forest canopy.
Like their was certain layer that was skewed by the trees, not showing me that their likely was in fact a presence beyond the crowns.
There has been a persistent effect noted from smoked and ingested P. Arundinacea extracts and fresh foliage collections. This spirit is highly adept to summoning the utmost fountain of healing.
This has been a wonderful day. The medicine is true.
Many thoughts were about the thin-line plants live between relativity, perceived usefulness and eventual commodification.
How is it that this medicine(Autumn Olive, Canary Grass) is illegal to consume?
This question baffles me for it has demonstrated the most powerful action of physical and emotional healing and inspiration of most plants I work with.
Basically, this Autumn Olive is a powerhouse of cleansing, antioxidants, alkaloids, and synergy.
The collective ambivalence for Phalaris needs to straighten itself a bit.
Most of you have no idea what is contained in Coffee.
We know most of the content of Phalaris. When will the medicines of truth reveal themselves in the mainstream?
How do we popularize an indigenous culture's tribal rituals to the point of desecration whilst ignoring these erudite faculties of fascination?
The truth is, Phalaris usage may never see the mainstream success Ayahuasca has.
Healing treasures sit lost in a sea of golden statues worshipped til the next god attends to its flock.

Tryptamine grasses for hyperspatial grazing!

Beautiful report

I'm haapi to see reports of working with these teachers.

Chimp Z, that was one of the most wonderfully written, fun-to-read reports I've ever read.

Thank you!

Interesting report..not enough yugo red for tryptamine effects but I would bet the hordenine is active at that dose. There seems to be a lot of hordenine in some strains, and it might potentiate the 5-MeO tryptamines a little bit...but in my experience with that strain that is not even enough grass for a mild vaporized dose of active tryptamines..let alone oral. Could just be the olive. Russian Olive is certainly active on it's own in my experience.

I beg to differ
I got what I needed
That's what matters

okay

all I am saying is I know that that is not enough grass for tryptamine effects.

I may have posted this here before; an experiment with manske harmaloids and Phalaris Brachystasys (I believe my strain is a 5meo carrier).Sub threshold at 30g, definite effects at 60g.I can,t speak for the Maoi component of Chimp Z's brew.




To further get a feel for the alkaloid profile/amounts and determine the usefulness of this plant I decided to conduct some oral + maoi experiments.
150mg of Manske extracted harmaloids was disolved in warm water and drunk and the juice of 30g wet foliage consumed 20 minutes later. I felt I may have detected
a faint effect not totally attributable to the harmaloids, but too weak that it couldn't be put down to placebo.
For the next experiment, thinking I may have underdosed on the maoi component for my body mass, I upped the dose to 250mg.
At 12.00 today I consumed the above followed 20 minutes later with the juiceof 60g foliage.If in doubt double the dose...
12.30: first alert
12.45: a definite effect, resigned to things dropping off here but hoping they don't.
12.55: this is not a dud. A moderately strong dmt effect. Only minor visual distortions and no patterns but an unmistakeable positive. Everything has 'the look'. Difficult to describe, a very organic and 'clean' feeling. Euphoria. I would maybe compare it to the 5 minutes after vaping 50mg of fb, only without the 'weight', and much extended over time. A plateau over a period of an hour with waves of increasing intensity gently lapping throughout.
14.00: rapidly drops away and I feel able to engage in light conversation. Feeling great, with colours still pleasantly enhanced with occasional echoes of the peak. The past hour and a half subjectively much longer than it was.
14.30: baseline. Negotiated a busy supermarket without incident.
No nausea or other unpleasant effects were experienced at any point during or after the trial.
No dietary restrictions of any kind were observed during either experiment. On both occasions I consumed strong coffee an hour before and a couple of hours after ingestion of harmaloids.

30-60g seems about in line with my experience with higher alk aquatica strains I grow and bioassayed. Brachystachys I never ended up actually bioassaying but it seems to always be rather potent from the literature.

Arundinacea strains on the other hand require doses on the order of dry ounces. I do grow yugo red and have multiple plots of it both in pots and in the ground, as well as big medicine. I have extracted both and bioassayed the extracts. Tryptamine content of yugo red and big medicine is very low, but the tryptamine/beta carboline portion of the alkaloid extract was in line with the effects of DMT at a low dose. I never had enough to try a breakthrough level dose. The DMT was present for sure though and extracts seem to be rather clean.

With whole extracts that contain the entire alk spectrum, arundinacea extracts are active at a lower dose, and produce for myself a strong phenethylamine stimulation, which is not my goal. The most entheogenic experiences for myself have been with higher doses of extracts that had those alkaloids removed...but still a dose of grass is going to be rather large compared to traditional light plants such as chacruna or chaliponga.

For more data on my own experiments I stuck it all together into an article in the winter 2015 issue of dragibus magazine.

A little history on the 'Yugo Red' strain I grew...

Soil: Earthworm castings, spaghnum moss, pumice
April 2014 sprouted some seeds and grew them in a pot for two months before transplanting in the ground.
Used Kelp meal and Glacial Rock Dust to avoid shock to the plant.
Flowered from August-September last year, possibly since I sowed the seeds in the middle of spring.
This grass has been quite sturdy and not prone to a high amount of insect presence and low slug juice.

I cut it all back to the base last October and again this February.
Not necessarily a pre-determined experiment, simply felt as though I would need medicine that day.
This year the grass foliage tapers off at about 6'5" and the inflorescence stalks reach another two feet. The grass is about 8+ft currently(june 2015).
Before harvesting I stressed the plant without water for two weeks and began watering a few moments prior to clipping. I asked the plant to guide my hands to yield the due amount of lessons the grass wished to provide that day.
I find unmeasured doses often defy your physiological expectations.
A more fulfilling method for channeling the spirits.

Last year I harvested 216g and recovered less than 50mg of crude base that looked like my D-Limonene pulled Mimosa extracts though smelled like grass extract. Still have not bioassayed this portion. I do say that what you are able to pull is not everything that's actually in the plant.

Deeply appreciate your post fourthripley.
Personally, I have had alright visions for about 2 hours on 8g of baby brachystachys.
That grass was sprouted in July and harvested October 2013. Peganum Harmala was used with that one. A repeated attempt with about 16g fresh brachystachys harvested in late May of 2014 was barely noticeable; though a feeling of full-body orgasm ascended within my cells and quickly eroded an hour into it...so I ate some Azurescens

Of all the MAOI plants I've utilized, Passiflora and St. John's Wort seem to synergize best with Acacia and Psilocybe fungus.
Peganum Harmala is the go-to.
I don't care to order Caapi online so I'll wait til my plants seem ripe for relishing.
Elaeagnus has been the most medicinal and lingering in afterglow.
Hippophae-still am uncertain. Worked with its bark and foliage up to 50g though nothing to really note aside from its potential as an everyday remedy for insomnia and depression.

Aquatica I've grown has been active at 40g. 80g a bit more visual. 125g the supreme.
These were all consumed with a base 4g of Peganum Harmala seeds every time.
Orally active strains have always been wild. Validating my suspicions, I've worked with P. Arundinacea from zone 7b, 8b, and 9b within the last few years. Definitely something there by itself with about 30g fresh foliage.

Interesting points you provide, Jamie.
The tryptamine feel was definitely present. Obviously by reading the report y'all see it was no "blast-off". Fourthripley's onset of effects speaks true to this. Wonder if there's a reason they posted that report after mine. Helps me validate my own looming questions.
These bioassays I post are selected from meaningful explorations of healing. I've had better success with high amounts. I'm not about to suggest to friends that they explore the unknown especially with 200g of wild grass.
This is basically to state the healing abilities of this grass at sub-visionary levels.
With the unpleasant feeling you get I do not really know how to relate.
Of the beautiful friends I've shared this medicine with and my own countless experiences, no one has ever encountered nausea, paranoia, fear or uncomfortable body load.
And for hordenine content, I've consumed near 200g dried Trichocereus cactus and similar amounts of Phalaris with maoi. There is a body load encountered with San Pedro in my experience and not so much for Phalaris. It has to do with vibration and energy. You will know what I speak of. If hordenine is present, I enjoy its effects. This is my personal perspective. Smoking cannabis or herbs like Scutellaria Lateriflora or Turnera Diffusa may decrease possible nausea. Or brewing sage, rosemary, lemon balm, and mint with your swords of bluish green space spice stands. I usually enter the Phalaris jungle with full surrender to its power and ask that it provide me with nourishing attention to its wisdom.
I hardly explore other forums aside from this. This is the DMT nexus I'm aware. Exploration of Phalaris shows you DMT is not all the grass has to offer. Is it still viable to explore this plant as a source of healing medicinal value or should we stick to isolating DMT from it, since the title of the forum suggests? Maybe DMT even offers no medicinal value. If there were solely DMT or 5-MeO-DMT in there I doubt I would have grown as close to these guardians as I have. We are finding amazing possibilities for this grass.
I saw in a post of yours(Jamie) about tincturing Phalaris. These are exciting avenues as I know precisely that they are active as such in strengthening my physical flexibility with meditation and exercise(turns me into a ninja-samurai in the garden).
A strain like P. Coerulescens has never provided me with tryptamine effects. Though, it seems other alkaloids are present and potent medicines.


Again, thank you fourthripley, your experience report is helping with my own integration of this experience. Seemed as though my deep vision quest with Trichocereus Peruvianus a week ago and this Phalaris transcendence were interlinked and filled in so many gaps I could not even put into words if I sat alone in a forest for 5 years thinking about it.
Jamie, your work in Dragibus is fabulous. So appreciative of others working with this grass because aside from the internet, I barely know a soul who has an understanding that there is beneficial medicine all around them in abundance.

"oh dmt, let's order some mimosa bark"


Love y'all.
Keep grassin'