We've Moved! Visit our NEW FORUM to join the latest discussions. This is an archive of our previous conversations...

You can find the login page for the old forum here.
CHATPRIVACYDONATELOGINREGISTER
DMT-Nexus
FAQWIKIHEALTH & SAFETYARTATTITUDEACTIVE TOPICS
Has a DMT breakthrough changed your view of Death? Options
 
archaic_revival_
#1 Posted : 6/17/2015 7:41:23 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 55
Joined: 07-Jun-2015
Last visit: 18-Nov-2019
The first evening I ever smoked DMT, I broke through in a MAJOR kind of way. The hallucination was so strong I simply could not believe it. The vision was too detailed, too clear, too vivid. It was all simply too much. It felt "realer than real". It scared the living daylights out of me.

In other words, I experienced a miracle I could never have dreamed of in a million years. It was a very challenging experience to integrate. I had NEVER experienced a "miracle" before.

As terrifying as the experience was, it ultimately had one major long-lasting effect on my psyche. It changed my notions of death.

Let me just come out with it. My DMT breakthrough made me *seriously* believe in the POSSIBILITY of life after death.

Prior to my breakthrough, I'd say I had been open to the idea of life after death. But more in a "wouldn't that be nice" new-agey kind of way. I still harbored private doubts.

So, I'd like to ask members of the community (especially the scientifically-oriented ones) if my thinking is faulty.

Am I foolish for believing that we transition at the moment of our death? OF COURSE I don't have any empirical evidence to support my stance, how could I? I can't take a camera with me into Hyperspace in order to take snapshots. The only "proof" I have was my insanely terrifying and very personal breakthrough.

Why would my brain be able to produce a 360 degree immersive hallucination on that level? I see no evolutionary advantage to this. A DMT breakthrough doesn't make me a better hunter. It doesn't help me spread my genes. It doesn't provide any type of survival advantage I can ascertain.

Evolutionary biology teaches us that any mechanism of the brain exists for a reason, and that reason has to be a good one. Supporting the various functionalities of the brain is expensive, so any ability we have must have a distinct purpose that supports our survival.

A relative of mine passed on recently, and a death in the family always shakes people up a bit. Admittedly, I noticed I was gaining a bit of guilty pleasure in reminding people that death was a process every human being must go through. I noticed their discomfort with my message by their silence and the shakiness of their reply. I could almost smell the fear. And then it dawned on me. People are actually living in denial regarding their pending deaths. They understand it intellectually, but there's a part of them that doesn't want to admit it.

So this is what I'm carrying around with me every day. I believe in the possibility of continued existence after death due to my DMT breakthrough. Am I just a hyper fool?





 

Live plants. Sustainable, ethically sourced, native American owned.
 
Synkromystic
#2 Posted : 6/18/2015 1:26:36 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 303
Joined: 07-Aug-2013
Last visit: 10-Jul-2015
Location: NonLocal
archaic_revival_ wrote:
The first evening I ever smoked DMT, I broke through in a MAJOR kind of way. The hallucination was so strong I simply could not believe it. The vision was too detailed, too clear, too vivid. It was all simply too much. It felt "realer than real". It scared the living daylights out of me.

In other words, I experienced a miracle I could never have dreamed of in a million years. It was a very challenging experience to integrate. I had NEVER experienced a "miracle" before.

As terrifying as the experience was, it ultimately had one major long-lasting effect on my psyche. It changed my notions of death.

Let me just come out with it. My DMT breakthrough made me *seriously* believe in the POSSIBILITY of life after death.

Prior to my breakthrough, I'd say I had been open to the idea of life after death. But more in a "wouldn't that be nice" new-agey kind of way. I still harbored private doubts.

So, I'd like to ask members of the community (especially the scientifically-oriented ones) if my thinking is faulty.

Am I foolish for believing that we transition at the moment of our death? OF COURSE I don't have any empirical evidence to support my stance, how could I? I can't take a camera with me into Hyperspace in order to take snapshots. The only "proof" I have was my insanely terrifying and very personal breakthrough.

Why would my brain be able to produce a 360 degree immersive hallucination on that level? I see no evolutionary advantage to this. A DMT breakthrough doesn't make me a better hunter. It doesn't help me spread my genes. It doesn't provide any type of survival advantage I can ascertain.

Evolutionary biology teaches us that any mechanism of the brain exists for a reason, and that reason has to be a good one. Supporting the various functionalities of the brain is expensive, so any ability we have must have a distinct purpose that supports our survival.

A relative of mine passed on recently, and a death in the family always shakes people up a bit. Admittedly, I noticed I was gaining a bit of guilty pleasure in reminding people that death was a process every human being must go through. I noticed their discomfort with my message by their silence and the shakiness of their reply. I could almost smell the fear. And then it dawned on me. People are actually living in denial regarding their pending deaths. They understand it intellectually, but there's a part of them that doesn't want to admit it.

So this is what I'm carrying around with me every day. I believe in the possibility of continued existence after death due to my DMT breakthrough. Am I just a hyper fool?



I love those challenging dmt experiences! Nothing like having your reality shattered Smile

You say you've never experienced a miracle. I guess you just haven't been paying attention Pleased Life is a miracle! Whether we choose to perceive the miracle of every moment, is entirely up to each person. We limit ourselves!!!

If you look at your brain as a receiver/transmitter, and NOT as a creator, it might help you a bit in your understanding.

As far dmt ''not helping one be a better hunter'' as you say... It seems like you have a lot of preconceived notions about what ''evolution'' really is, and WHAT is considered important. It would require such a long description of my understanding of evolution, that I prefer not to get into it at this time.

In my opinion, living and dying are all about transitions, transformations, and both are part of the same mechanism.

Most importantly, why I value dmt is because it allows to one to look at different situations from MANY different aspects, thus broadening ones perception. Granted, there's a lot of junk that gets thrown into the dmt visions, but over the years one removes the ''weeds''. I like to look at dmt as helping one learn ''how to think'', not ''what to think'' Most of the real work is done while sober in my opinion.

Oh, and when you KNOW, you don't need to believe any more. Belief is just a degraded form of knowledge. Belief requires faith.

Keep at it with the dmt and the questions..you will eventually find what you are looking for, even if you dont realize exactly what you are looking yet...it will find you Pleased
 
null24
#3 Posted : 6/18/2015 10:54:48 PM

DMT-Nexus member

Welcoming committeeModerator

Posts: 3968
Joined: 21-Jul-2012
Last visit: 15-Feb-2024
Good point Syncro, if your'e getting at what I think you're getting at, that the DMT breakthrough does have some evolutionary advantage, I'm with ya- but as far as what it is, we haven't gotten there yet. It's not atavistic, it's for the coming consciousness. Evolution in humans is looked at as a progression of merely physical mutations designed to acheive certain advantages in the manipuklation of the physical environment by the said organism. But what if the massive consciousness of humans has triggered some sort of non-physical evolution, perhaps the DMT breakthrough itself is evolving, and getting ready to propel us as a species into hyperspace!

As for death and the continuation of consciousness afterwards, and how DMT has affected my perception of that, uh, well....yes. Fully convinced I had poisoned myself dead when I injected some (far too much) 5meo DMT -which was my re-initiation into the psychedelic and first full realization of the entheogen- I underwent the entire classic NDE, the tunnel, the void the whole deal. And when I returned I wept, not only for the beauty but for all the time I had wasted on this planet, because even after that experience of witnessing Godhead, I knew that THIS IS IT. Even if some spark of existence or life or chi or whatever you call it, that divine essence, continues into infinite time in fulfillment of the dictum of the conservation of energy, it dissolves into so many particles to be redistributed that one particle could end up in a slime mold and one in a saint.

ORRRR, there are two distinct energy patterns within humans, one as described above, that does "sink" into the third dimension or earth, to be redistributed as life essence. And apart from but co-existent to that is the divine spark, the soul, the pure mind that the brain is only a receiver of, returns to its home outside of time and space to do whatever it does, maybe be reborn?

Thats it, my nihilistic 1 cent view and my 1 cent "hope this aint it" view.

Thumbs up Hey, standing on top of this fence, I can see my house from hereLaughing
Sine experientia nihil sufficienter sciri potest -Roger Bacon
*γνῶθι σεαυτόν*
 
fathomlessness
#4 Posted : 6/22/2015 2:51:49 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 975
Joined: 24-Jan-2015
Last visit: 28-Feb-2023
There is no way to get beyond belief when considering the afterlife. Why is this the way that it is? Why are humans not allowed to have certainty of knowing what comes after there existence even if it is just the understanding of the certainty of nothing whatsoever? I suppose this question hints at the answer...

So no matter how hard one tries to become certain over what is likely to be the case, it most probably always defies all convensions of categorization in the human mind.

null24 wrote:
I underwent the entire classic NDE, the tunnel, the void the whole deal. And when I returned I wept, not only for the beauty but for all the time I had wasted on this planet, because even after that experience of witnessing Godhead, I knew that THIS IS IT.

the soul, the pure mind that the brain is only a receiver of, returns to its home outside of time and space to do whatever it does, maybe be reborn?


After experiencing all that, are you in anyway unconvinced? I agree, it is totally plausible that the way we define consciousness is not complete and reliant on other dimensions of explaination. I think it is the notion of time & space that are wrong and this may hinder us from seeing the bigger picture about what we are intergrated in and possibly what else we exist as beyond what we know & understand during life. We somehow infer that matter and it's motions in time are not stored anywhere or can be transcended in to different encoding, as if it is all rigid and non-compliant with other parameters. I remember John C Lilly (isolation tanks, dolphin communication) talking of something along the lines of this.
 
Leithen
#5 Posted : 6/22/2015 9:45:54 PM

Be Here Now


Posts: 228
Joined: 20-Jun-2015
Last visit: 12-Jan-2024
Location: Planet Earth
archaic_revival_ wrote:
Let me just come out with it. My DMT breakthrough made me *seriously* believe in the POSSIBILITY of life after death.

So, I'd like to ask members of the community (especially the scientifically-oriented ones) if my thinking is faulty.

Am I foolish for believing that we transition at the moment of our death? OF COURSE I don't have any empirical evidence to support my stance, how could I? I can't take a camera with me into Hyperspace in order to take snapshots. The only "proof" I have was my insanely terrifying and very personal breakthrough.

Why would my brain be able to produce a 360 degree immersive hallucination on that level? I see no evolutionary advantage to this. A DMT breakthrough doesn't make me a better hunter. It doesn't help me spread my genes. It doesn't provide any type of survival advantage I can ascertain.

Evolutionary biology teaches us that any mechanism of the brain exists for a reason, and that reason has to be a good one. Supporting the various functionalities of the brain is expensive, so any ability we have must have a distinct purpose that supports our survival.

A relative of mine passed on recently, and a death in the family always shakes people up a bit. Admittedly, I noticed I was gaining a bit of guilty pleasure in reminding people that death was a process every human being must go through. I noticed their discomfort with my message by their silence and the shakiness of their reply. I could almost smell the fear. And then it dawned on me. People are actually living in denial regarding their pending deaths. They understand it intellectually, but there's a part of them that doesn't want to admit it.

So this is what I'm carrying around with me every day. I believe in the possibility of continued existence after death due to my DMT breakthrough. Am I just a hyper fool?

Let me start by saying you are not a fool!

Like people above have touched on, no one knows what happens after death. If you choose to think a certain way, which you are more than welcome to, then that is your opinion. I have talked to many people who have similar ideas to you and i have spent many hours discussing this possibility. I personally believe it is more important to come to terms with death and accept it as a natural part of life rather than guessing what happens after, a question that may be impossible to answer

I truly do not think the DMT experience has realistic "survival" implications, although the consciousness evolution (above) is a brilliant idea. This is something that has baffled me from the beginning. Why can some seemingly random plant create such intense visuals and spark such creativity and knowledge?

I believe that delving deeper into these experiences and really trying to take away knowledge to apply to "real life" is the only way we will be able to get closer to an answer.
“How long will this last, this delicious feeling of being alive, of having penetrated the veil which hides beauty and the wonders of celestial vistas? It doesn't matter, as there can be nothing but gratitude for even a glimpse of what exists for those who can become open to it.”
― Alexander Shulgin, Pihkal: A Chemical Love Story
 
archaic_revival_
#6 Posted : 6/23/2015 8:01:33 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 55
Joined: 07-Jun-2015
Last visit: 18-Nov-2019
beatenwarrior wrote:
It defies logical sense doesn't it? That a substance that can cause such tremendous experiences is produced by nature.


None of it makes sense. Why would we be able to have this experience? What purpose does it serve? Is it a signal? A message?

DMT can't exist by mere chance. The experience is too strong. There must be a reason for its existence. But what is the reason?

Is Hyperspace what awaits us? A cosmic circus with elves, fairies, and aliens? I can't wrap my head around it.

I think about my breakthrough every single day.
 
Leithen
#7 Posted : 6/23/2015 3:13:37 PM

Be Here Now


Posts: 228
Joined: 20-Jun-2015
Last visit: 12-Jan-2024
Location: Planet Earth
beatenwarrior wrote:
archaic_revival_ wrote:
beatenwarrior wrote:
It defies logical sense doesn't it? That a substance that can cause such tremendous experiences is produced by nature.



Is Hyperspace what awaits us? A cosmic circus with elves, fairies, and aliens? I can't wrap my head around it.

I think about my breakthrough every single day.


Reading and trying to understand the "Tao Te Ching" as well as reading and listening to Alan Watts has helped me understand this dimension we live in. I try to use that understanding to figure out the DMT experience. Some parts fit, others don't. But understanding what we are while consciously awake can be very beneficial to understanding what may be going on there. I can't claim to have it all figured out. But I do have a good idea of what may be going on here. These aren't things most people want to understand or should understand though. They don't particularly contain "positive feel good" answers.

Edit: Another question you could be asking is, "Why are we able to have THIS experience?" This experience being the consciously awake everyday life one. That might sort some answers out for you. You may begin to realize that the awake experience is actually the most ridiculous, terrifying, and bizarre perversion that could ever happen.


What wonderful questions, things i think about daily. Laughing

I have to agree that the Tao Te Ching and other similar books have helped me better understand or come to terms with my life here and now and given me more of an internal purpose. I think DMT is more of a key or a tool to help us understand things, not the understanding itself. It shows us the truth, good or bad, and we have to then do something with it to have it actually affect our "real" life. These are such vast almost endless questions that must be looked into further.

Perhaps Hyperspace is just a pathway we have to go through to get to our "next life". Maybe we are currently on the pathway and trying to reach Hyperspace. It's all so hard to fathom but so intriguing.
“How long will this last, this delicious feeling of being alive, of having penetrated the veil which hides beauty and the wonders of celestial vistas? It doesn't matter, as there can be nothing but gratitude for even a glimpse of what exists for those who can become open to it.”
― Alexander Shulgin, Pihkal: A Chemical Love Story
 
 
Users browsing this forum
Guest

DMT-Nexus theme created by The Traveler
This page was generated in 0.031 seconds.