So before i begin I want to say that I know im not a pharmacist and mixing drugs can be dangerous, I also understand that this was more of a trial test but it is a step in the right direction and the subject needs more study.

Ok so to begin, Swim's friend's girlfriend has had a history with depression and opiate addiction. Well recently she went into relapse and in an attempt to help her swim "prescribed: her small doses of salvia over the next few days. .1g in the morning and at night, also a couple of .2g doses in-case she has a craving. The interesting thing is it seemed to work. it's been a few days since and she's been fine.

I hope this helps point people in the right direction to do more tests. What are your guy's thoughts?

Makes perfect sense to me.

I think this plant needs to be studied much more thoroughly for potential treatments for addiction. It has a tendency to make you want to stay sober after ingesting it Not just with the terrifying or unpleasant experiences, but even with the positive ones.

It is a kappa opioid agonist, so there is activity going on at those receptors. http://sagewisdom.org/chavkinetal.pdf

I suffered for many years with very serious depression and I credit this plant with literally saving my life. It's not a stretch to say that my regular use of this plant has also greatly helped me overcome addictions.

Often times I dont even feel an urge to smoke cannabis after working with Salvia - she just leaves me feeling so fulfilled I dont need to alter my consciousness at all....

I could certainly see it helping with addiction.

A lot of it depends on the addict though - it often takes months of being sober and working through things to get to a good place with your own addiction.... Even Takiwasi (highest success rating of any rehab) which uses Ayahuasca alongside regular rehab treatment requires people to stay 3-4 months if they are serious about kicking their addiction. And even Iboga treatments often suggest you do follow ups a couple months later.... I think the hardest part is the first 3-4 months....

BTW - not sure how you are ingesting it, but I highly recommend chewing, tincture or tea over smoking! Microdosing can also work wonders!

Yes! Makes perfect sense. I like to call Salvia "Iboga-lite," sort of jokingly but with some truth to it. I don't have any chemical addictions, but Salvia certainly leaves me feeling less compulsive in my behavior.

I use it to treat my own depression, ADD, and antisocial behavior. I've never gone past a light level three dose so I know that the personal insight the trip can provide isn't the only way for this plant to help people.

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She's not my gf, but yes she's smoking it.

Kappa agonists have been shown in studies to attenuate both nicotine and opiate withdrawal symptoms and are postulated to have an inhibitory effect on some of the mechanisms that cause the negative mood states which rear their head after the acute withdrawal phase which are linked to the mis-aligned reward system that addiction has generated. The issue with Salvinorin A in particular is its ability to cause the so-called negative effects (dysphoria, 'hallucinations' etc) which make it unsuited for therapeutic use from the stand-point of the mainstream medical community. Here are a brief article and an abstract which look at kappa agonism and its possible role in addictions:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih....Abstract&holding=npg




http://www.nature.com/ap...ll/aps2010138a.html#bib4

Despite my statement contrasting your actual observation I would like to point out that in my experience it would not make sense and not be possible, I could now go into logical reasoning what could have been going on pharmacologically / psychologically / physically and so on. But maybe this would be like a blind man picking up a coin, would you mind me asking first what kind of opiates she was recently using and to what dosage per day she made it before your prescription. Altho widely equated, different opiates will have very diverse effects, regarding psychology and physiology.

So simply speaking, was she using 10 Xanax a day or smoking 150 pipes of chandoo or shooting up x amount on a daily basis ?

That would actually be very interesting to me, I'd appreciate more information

To be honest, no nothing except several other opioids make you "be fine" for several days after you picked up a habit.
Also one might want to note that this can in fact be an dangerous ambition as it can kill if you go from opioids to no opioids in just one day.

Thanks for the replies and input.

Im not sure what she was taking but it was for less than a week meaning it was a lot easier to get off of than say three months.

I know none of this is a huge break through but i thought that i would share it.


I would also like to point out that salvia has shown to stop cocaine use in rats, so even if its not because of the fact that its an opioid agonist, there is proof that it can help with drug abuse.

I see, well Wyald, I think things were "lucky" either way since "in case she has a craving", having a craving is not an option as soon as you picked up a habit, having a craving will be a fact unless you have used. If you stop that craving becomes strong and omnipresent, also the physical and emotional pain of stopping will likely not be undone by anything.

I think its very important , if this gets an issues once in a time, that underlying problems are addressed

I Quit smoking tobacco (20+ year use) & cannabis (every other day use) thanks to Salvia.

In my opinion sending one's awareness to the immersive - immaterial states of Salvia Space holds the negative pattern releasing properties (addiction breaking). Of course the challange with vaporizing the Salvinorin's: the experiences into Immersive & Immaterial are too fast/hard/ultimate. And the challenge is if the core psycho-spiritual material that created the negative behavior patterns is released/shaken up -and not dealt with- one may spiral down deeper into the addiction.


Hey hi, its my first post here (made this account a few years ago but never used it), im here cuz maybe someone can give me access so i can post to these threads about some of my work? https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64675

Salvia saved my life and instantly ended all addictions in the blink of an eye and turned me away from recreational use of everything (I did use alcohol a handful of times and something else once or twice in all those years after my salvia trip, but just that one strong salvia trip was enough to turn me away from recreational use and learn the value of mindful use and only mindful use) I would not be alive today if I hadn't taken salvia in the right setting with the right person guiding me a long time ago.

I think Salvia is partially to thank for my attitude to mind-altering substances today: I take coffee for the taste and the refreshing effect, I smoke cigarettes for the calming effect (I know it's partly an illusion/placebo/nicotine undoing the agitation caused by nicotine, I took up smoking recently after many years and I'm already feeling I will quit soon) and I take psychedelics for learning more about myself, dealing with myself and my fears and subconscious blocks and contradictions and conflicts, to discover what's ahead of me, how to go forward in life and how to actually get there. I have arrived at a place where I'm uninterested in chemicals/synthetic drugs and believe the natural route is the best. I will rather eat the seeds and get stomach pains and nausea than extract the compound! I got diarrhea from LSA seeds. I welcomed it, it felt very physically purifying. Who is to say the experience would have been better if I had just experienced the mental purge and purification without the physical purge?

I enjoy euphoria, the beauty of visuals, positive things. At the same time, I don't seek pleasure, I seek to learn and grow. Some of my best trips have been terrifying and exhausting. I don't prefer happy trips to terrifying trips, not at all. I take whatever is useful.

So yeah, definitely, I think salvia can cure any addiction, I feel like it's somehow in its nature.