So, I am not that young any more and wasn't smoking before at all, I am not smoker so usually refused to smoke anything. But to keep this simple I wanted to see how cannabis works for me. Do not get me wrong I have many friends that smoke MJ.

So, again refused to smoke and I got vaporiser.

Material I got is high quality bud.

Usually started alone with low dose, (quarter of small finger fingernail size), so with that dose nothing happened. Next day tried double the dose and some common perception related things did happened, but nothing to strong, music sound better, colors are brighter, lets say "normal small dose classic experience". Runny thoughts etc.

After that I took 2 weeks off, and tried again friday 20 o'clock.
Tried same amount, nothing happened, half hour later added more, and only slighty change of perception, so weak and subtle I thought material I have is not good. I went to sleep.

Next day, same time saturday. I took the same amount, nothing happened, half hour later added 1/4 of small finger finger nail. Nothing happed. All in all its less than 50-100 mg of plant material I would say.

I was listening to the music, that day surfing, facebook youtube etc.
Suddenly at least 1 hour later after vaping my heart started to pump. I put down headphones, and figured out that something is going on, my heart was pumping faster and faster. Fear took over me, more fear more faster the heart pumps. I managed to get together somehow. I stared to feel strange energy coming from base of my body (I would say first chakra) , I felt like I was in strong magnet and that my body was made of iron. Every cell of my body was attracted and that energy was pulling me up. Feeling was read and physical. I was fighting a huge fight against fear and panick. This feeling what the most strongest feeling I ever experienced.
In real life I was experience falling, I remember having accident and my body was falling (traffic accidence) and seconds of body falling while having traffic accidend where LESS INTENSE than this felling. Free body falling was lense intense. It was so strong physical experience almost impossible to describe.
It lasted few minutes. After I got together, complete thought process and perception was altered. I was in a tunnel, room around me was like watched through the tunnel.
Suddenly I realized I was starring at piece of pliers (through tunnel vision) left on table for quite a long time. Complete perception and sense of SELF was GONE. There was not ME any more. Self was returning from time to time after it is gone for hours(seconds were hours). Every second one "movie" was perceived, every second lasted hours and dreamworld was perceived. After some moments SELF (or I or normal daily consciousness) would come back and realized complete weirdness of reality and disappeared again. Every time "I" returned my body was filled with anxiety "whats wrong with me". THERE WAS no difference between this state of consciousness and classic dream state of mind. After many long secessions of intense daydreaming movies, (actually only few minutes passed) I decided to go from desk to bed. Walk from desk to bed which is only 4 STEPS away lasted to long that at least few "movies" played. Every movie was like a dream , deep and detailed.
I got to bed realized that my body (and being) can completely work without "me" . I sat on bed and stared onto the floor for some time. Movie after move was playing around. After 10 minutes I again got together and managed to realized whats going on, at thies moment effects of movies were diminished a bit and I again went to PC table started to write a message about whats going on to my "experienced friend" about this but he was not on line. Now the weirdest thing was happening. I was writing 3 sentences for at least 15 minutes !!!! EVERY WORD triggered few movies that played, after I wrote 3-4 words I forgot what I was writing about because every move was played in meantime, and actually much time passed. Finally I managed to write 3-4 sentences. Effects were little weaker and weaker I stared to listen to music , was listening at lest 1 hour.
Decided to go to sleep, was at bathroom, talked some words with other houselings ("I am going to sleep good night", went to bed and realised EVERYTHING was happening by itself, my talk what ever I done at bathroom. Whole being functions completely good "without me".
Went to bed, still there were movies. Tried to get some sleep. I didnt managed to fall asleep. SUDDENLY I REALIZED I am again at PC table writing at facebook very hard and very slowly. Whats going on ? I was in bed? Am I not sleeping? How I got there?
I was writing and writing slowly, and suddenly I realised I was DREAMING, and I woke up in bed. I HEVER HAD lucind dream without STOP of consciousness. "State of conscousnes in lucid dream and waking state was absolutely identical. I actually never fall asleep.
That night was full of lucid dreams of great intensity. Finally next morning I woke up , completely astonished what the fuck was going on.

After this experience I didn't touch MJ for at least few months. I experienced effects of derealisation for a weak after this experience. All thighs around me ,all people incuding me are self autonomous working machines. True self is complete stillness of consciousness without even "I" thought, there are two obvious state of minds. This "waked" state of mind, which is not by itself "happy state of mind" this reality is very "hard to comprehend" and very unnatural, and normal "forgotten" state of mind, "our self and our being" are one, end every though our being makes we thing "we make", actually thoughts are being made by itself alone. Our "I" is sleepfully conneted to thought process , and also "I" is thought which thinks to be creator of all "mental process" thoughts. This "normal state of consciousness" is autonomous working "thought program"

Ok after paragraph of philosophy lets get back to MJ.

After few months I decided to vape once more: Again weirdly small amount of material:

3 Hours after vaping nothing happened(just small change of perception), I went to bed to sleep. Now amount of THC in body should be very low, much time passed. I fall a sleep briefly and suddenly STRONG explosion in my head woked me up. I managed to get back to sleep. Few moments later across the spine energy was starting to rise, like electricity, like cold sweat. IT would go up and up until it would hit my head inside and cause explosion. I was in half dreamy state. Again woke up and decidted to shut down PC, shut down the lights and get to bed. Again I was in "movie" state of mind, again every second was a movie, again there we no SELF no I, again everything I did was done by my being itself. I remember peeing on the toilet , and it is completely amazing how 30 seconds o peeing can be enough time to produce so many so intense and long "dreams".

It is completely weird that so small amount of clean cannabis bud can produce complete alteratin of perception, of self, of consousness , and keep me changed for weeks.
It is 100% not LACED , it is just cannabis pure.

Talked to many friends, and everybody looks me "weird", what "is he talking about".

I can relate. I've had some pretty intense experiences on good quality Cannabis all by itself.

Some of these experiences were nothing short of strong psychedelic experiences.

Of course, it's never "just the substance" itself, but it's interaction with who you are at the moment & sometimes it can be quite surprising.

Strange and powerful experience. Are you taking any prescription medication at all? Do you use sleeping pills ever either OTC or prescription?

I had quite the show last night as well!! Totally caught me off guard I love psychedelic weed, lol. A lot cev's concerning many floral fractals.

Hmm, no medication except sometimes "Nexium" for heartburn

That's good medoslav, sometimes prescriptions magnify or potentiate the cannabis high. Sometimes other things do. Mangos contain terpenes that potentiate cannabis, as do some other foods.

Try Live Resin if you can find it. I've been smoking for years and I can still get a little psychedelic vibe going from it.

Hmm, I wonder whether to take it again in any form


Yes, I am familiar with kundalini, but have never do any excercise or yoga or anything, just "spiritual contemplation" throughout my life.

im very shocked at how little you smoked/vaped for such highs tbh, I have an extensive history of use with MJ so maybe my tolerance is a lot higher, . where what you describe is a very mild experience the doses you claim would only provide me with a mild high. I am certainly due a tolerance break.
many many many people miss use cannabis or claim that it is not psycho active

that is just so misinformed I don't know what to say when people make this claim.

yeh the odd joint or bong use is great for getting a little stoned, but much higher doses of MJ have always been psychedelic for me.

I think 99% of people using MJ are miss using it. not saying it doesn't have medical benefits I mean in terms of recreational use. Using it more and more often and at extreme doses has made me quite aware that previous uses of MJ were not quite in touch of a true use od MJ.

Last night I smoked 3.5g of a nice crystal heavy sativa strain. I don't mean over the night, I smoked this in about 15 minutes through the bong with no tobacco. when I smoke this much and get myself into a meditative state CEV's are very very prominent usually starting of as some blue light fractals and the feeling of laying flat on a bed is very close to and OBE.

I usually listen to something similar to this
https://www.youtube.com/..._NKJvuxBffzg&index=9

it helps a lot when meditating, for me it is so much easy to concentrate on meditation through this it puts me straight in to a state which would normal take 1-2 hours to achieve through unaided meditation.

I am certainly not entertaining the idea of anyone else smoking 3.5g in 15 minutes, everyone has a different tolerance,most peoples tolerances are extremely varied so the amount you need to use will have to be found out by yourself. although I'm sure if you attempted to smoke 3.5g in 15 minutes it wouldn't do you any harm either you might have a nice sleep

it may also be noted that anybody trying this out may have different experiences i found my meditation techniques to benefit my smoking, what i mean by this is being so high of cannabis to the point your physically loaded and pulsing with high feelings from cannabis will effect each individual differently, at first im sure everyone will worry being so high is not natural and it may take a few times before you can be so high and relax. when you are relaxed in this state is when you really start to get involved in the experience and certainly will have some CEV's. getting to this point can be somewhat a challenge for many and even experience long term users may disagree but it is not something your everyday 'stoner' will look to achieve.

peace

Well some times passed, and now I had once more even stronger experience which I have to share.

Three of us were using vaporiser, for them it was just "mild experience", I think they got less dosage but not that much less than mine dosage, or maybe they do not know how to use vaporiser effectively.

Last load of vaporiser was kind of bigger and my friend took first hit and I took rest of it, I presume that in first hit maybe more of water vapor and "smell oils evaporate than thc. I maybe my rewuired dosage is lower than for other people. I do not know.

Well we were at hot place, near sea, it was about 30 °C at 22 o clock it was hot.

I finished off vaporising the plant until it does not produce any more fumes, my friend took first hit of last big load, and another friend just small amount.

Of course they started to laugh, and tell stupid funny stories, classic nice setting. It was not started that nice and mild for me.

10 minutes after vaporising it started to hit me, very very strongly, I started to feel tingling sensation in the whole body (like energy). Few minutes later I noticed DELAY, thoughts started to rush faster and faster. Delay was bigger and bigger.
Friend was talking to me, at the begging I managed to follow the story he was telling me, few minutes later TIME COMPRESSED to ABSOLUTELY amazing extent. His word for eternity for me fulled with many many thought. After two or three his words I was not able to follow what he was talking about. I was outside classic reality. My thought were SUPER fast, outside physical world was too slow to cope with.
Strangely my physical body by itself managed to function, I was able to talk to them somehow, but it was not me talking, body knew what to do like machine.
Even my own spoken words were outside my "thought fast time processing". also world I saw with physical eyes was FRAME BY FRAME. Every frame was filled with thousand thoughts. My mind was in another time dimension, like dream dimension.

30 seconds later (eternity for my), my friends story was never finishing, Now my friends thoughts started to annoy me. I started little afraid how they see me, I know they are not able to comprehend my dimension, I thought they see me like something is wrong with me.
I told them I am going to sleep, that I am very tired. My friend started to talk to me that I just imagined that I am very tired, (for me eternity passed, for them 2-3 minutes passed), I urgently needed complete solitude in dark place. When my friend talked to me that I was not really tired that I just imagined this I felt that as a threat, and I immediately stopped to feel comfortable there. Also I felt that I was very very suggestible, but I knew that I want solitude and insisted I am going to sleep.


Time delay even become stronger ( IT is not delay it is FRAME BY FRAME physical world which is slow and my super fast thinking mind have to be in both worlds, every moment there is thought every thought become like a dream within a dream).
I managed to get all things I need upstairs (toilet paper ). There are stairs that go upstairs (corridor). They seemed like a tunnel, every stair is another thought, I climbed just single floor upstairs for eternity. Upstairs was free room for sleeping and my cousin is learning for college exams. I enter upstairs apartment and strangely again my body corresponds with her by itself. I though she will notice someting but she didnt notice anything. I managed to get to bed, and I forgot earplugs and bottle of water downstairs. Again 2 minutes of walking up and down, strange trippy stairs. I did not have any space perception , whole world was frame by frame between thought.

When I got to bed another even faster thought process begins: I lay to bed, it was hot: Do you know the feeling when it is hot, than whole body becomes warm and you start to sweat, it lasts 10 seconds until you sweat. Now I noticed this ugly too hot feeling lasted for EEEEVERRR. I felt every rise of temperature of my body, every aspect of feeling of sweating. Time was super compressed.
At the edge of sleep I even managed to see whole thought process, there were no limit between wake and sleep state, they were the same.
Sometimes it seems I stopped breathing, or I forget to breath. But in reality it was just small amount of time
It become too hot and I went back to my cousin in next room to turn on air conditioner. After I went to bathroom, and when I was washing my hand I considered that my body is NUMB, I did not feel water at all on my hands, I could not scratch my nose, even nerve action from pressure of tissue to feeling of scratch was delayed, . Went back to bed, checked how much time passed, and only few minutes passed. I could not stand this any more, I wanted it to stop because it was too much, Who will wait another 2 hours when 10 minutes were for ever.
Another 10 minutes later my "normal consciousness" reappeared for a few moments, like you wake outside of dream. And I (normal wakeful) appeared and considered what happened, It was like very long overwhelming dream (whole experience until now) the same you feel after you wake up in the morning from a dram and if dream was very good and strong you are astonished and amazed: I knew my first thought after waking for a moment form this "anouther time dimension reality" "WHAT THA FUCK UP I JUST EXPERICEND, WHOOUHAAA"

Few moments later I even didnt realised I was in dream again. Later I experienced every aspect of edge of wakefull state and sleep state. Hard to convert this to speakable words.

The most astonishing part of this experience was a state where you can see that whole body, whole personality, whole spectrum of your being is automatized (including all thoughts and dreams), and that you (pure witness consciousness) are not part of this automation.
Also learned thought patterns of personality, thought triggers, fears thought triggers, loves thought triggers etc.

Next day I felt really happy and fulfilled. Whole experience seems like magic, like most intense dream.

I wonder why another people does not experience this with just cannabis, maybe they do but do not comprehend this this way ?

I'm a heavy recreational pot user (a normal Oregonian, iow ), and I'm just curious spawn, about your opinion on folks who misuse it. If you smoke av eighth of weed at a time, what the hell do people who misuse it smoke?

I am sorry null24, but I do not understand anything what you are saying

That's okay, nobody ever does.

I was asking spawn... about his opinion, could never smoke 3.5g in a sitting, and i smoke ALOT of weed.

You see, in Oregon, that's what we do to get through the rainy months. Well that, drink craft beer wherever & eat steak at strip clubs. But an eighth at a time?

Cannabis is a psychedelic. I find the debate humorous. Anyone who doesnt think so hasnt smoked medical pot. Your trip sounds awesome. Like a Thurs night, but awesome...

I am not able to compare it to any experience of any people who I know, especially if we consider that vaporized amount was kind of only 0,1-0,2 gram of high quality bud.

I agree with null, an eighth in 15 minutes is pretty heavy duty,not that I haven't done the same on the odd lonely night

Medoslav, your experiences sound like what I used to get when I first started smoking pot years ago. My advice, if you enjoy the ride, don't do it too often, because tolerance to weed builds up quickly and never completely goes away. There have been times in my life that smokin 2 or 3 grams in a session wasn't even getting me high and it wasn't crap dope (my finest homegrown sativa, I call it deep purple ) just a real high level of tolerance.

EDIT: also if you're talking fingernail sized buds of compressed hydro, you might be smokin more like a gram at a time rather than a point. Just saying, relative size is a poor comparative scale because weed can be processed in so many different ways