We've Moved! Visit our NEW FORUM to join the latest discussions. This is an archive of our previous conversations...

You can find the login page for the old forum here.
CHATPRIVACYDONATELOGINREGISTER
DMT-Nexus
FAQWIKIHEALTH & SAFETYARTATTITUDEACTIVE TOPICS
12NEXT
DMT in clinical death Options
 
efrecska
#1 Posted : 6/4/2015 11:55:39 AM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 21
Joined: 03-May-2013
Last visit: 24-May-2021
Location: Debrecen
We have started a crowd funding project on DMT in clinical death (in other words: against oxidative stress). Please, help us sharing this link with those who might be interested or supportive:
https://www.indiegogo.co...in-clinical-death#/story

Brief Summary of the project:
We are a group of basic and clinical researchers who follow the line of investigation started by Stephen Szara’s groundbreaking clinical studies with dimethyltryptamine (DMT). We are among the first ones who broke away of the mainstream scientific view of DMT as a psychopathological agent and proposed a somatophysiological role for this endogenous tryptamine, which is naturally occurring in the body. Our main tenet is that DMT is involved in the healing and regeneration of cells, it helps the body to survive extreme stress like clinical death. Our group has already provided experimental support of this concept in the field of immunology.
We need your support to expand our work into hypoxia (low oxygen) studies, which are in the stage of in vitro ("test tube"Pleased phase.

Thankfully,

Ede Frecska
 

Good quality Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) for an incredible price!
 
DreaMTripper
#2 Posted : 6/4/2015 2:10:16 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 1893
Joined: 18-Jan-2008
Last visit: 26-Sep-2023
Very interesting I hope you recieve the funding needed.
 
The Traveler
#3 Posted : 6/6/2015 5:21:24 PM

"No, seriously"

Administrator | Skills: DMT, LSD, Programming

Posts: 7324
Joined: 18-Jan-2007
Last visit: 02-Nov-2024
Location: Orion Spur
Bump. Lets give this some attention.

The results of this research will probably lay new ways for future development. I hope that you get the funding that is needed for a project like this.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 
universecannon
#4 Posted : 6/6/2015 5:59:40 PM



Moderator | Skills: harmalas, melatonin, trip advice, lucid dreaming

Posts: 5257
Joined: 29-Jul-2009
Last visit: 24-Aug-2024
Location: 🌊
Thanks so much for posting this Ede! I'll put it up on the news site soon Smile



<Ringworm>hehehe, it's all fun and games till someone loses an "I"
 
efrecska
#5 Posted : 6/6/2015 7:54:52 PM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 21
Joined: 03-May-2013
Last visit: 24-May-2021
Location: Debrecen
Thanks for your interest!
The role of DMT in clinical death is an intriguing idea, however, there is more to it. Oxidative stress is possibly the key concept in the physiological function of DMT.
Oxidative stress is an emerging platform in explanation of a wide array of degenerative illnesses. If DMT is proven to mitigate its effect then we will learn how ayahuasca works as medicine at the molecular level, which is the basic layer in her multifaceted therapeutic effects.

 
jamie
#6 Posted : 6/6/2015 8:07:45 PM

DMT-Nexus member

Salvia divinorum expert | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growingSenior Member | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growing

Posts: 12340
Joined: 12-Nov-2008
Last visit: 02-Apr-2023
Location: pacific
very interesting stuff efrecska!
Long live the unwoke.
 
efrecska
#7 Posted : 6/7/2015 9:25:38 PM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 21
Joined: 03-May-2013
Last visit: 24-May-2021
Location: Debrecen
Look on the CF main page what a strong statement we have received from Dennis McKenna:
"This is possibly the most important DMT research to happen since Rick Strassman forced open the gates 20 years ago!"
 
Cognitive Heart
#8 Posted : 6/7/2015 9:57:26 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 1903
Joined: 15-Mar-2014
Last visit: 25-Jan-2024
Love Incredible work being done, here! I wish you well. Thank you.
'What's going to happen?' 'Something wonderful.'

Skip the manual, now, where's the master switch?

We are interstellar stardust, the re-dox co-factors of existence. Serve the sacred laws of the universe before your time comes to an end. Oh yes, you shall be rewarded.
 
tryptographer
#9 Posted : 6/7/2015 11:47:03 PM

tryptamine photographer


Posts: 760
Joined: 01-Jul-2008
Last visit: 21-Aug-2023
Ever since I read 'Inner Paths to Outer Space' I've been a big fan of you, so good luck!
 
efrecska
#10 Posted : 6/8/2015 8:35:17 AM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 21
Joined: 03-May-2013
Last visit: 24-May-2021
Location: Debrecen
For the balance, I have to report that last night I got critical comments from an outstanding researcher of the field. Here they are with my responses:
1. "Farfetched protocol." Indeed, the goal (we spelled out DREAM) is very ambitious, but we stated clearly that the project is one step on the road toward the "attractor" (use in clinical death). If we only say DMT is against oxidative stress that can be enough for the scientific community. The public may need more: "And what is it good for then?"
2. "It has low probability of success." For what? Against oxidative stress? We have pilot data from microglia cells supporting that, though in micromolar concentration (I will address below this really important question), but microglia has no uptake mechanisms. Against clinical death? Perhaps less probable, but isn't worth a try?
3. "DMT’s affinity for the sigma-1 receptor is very low." This is typical, thinking in a neurotransmitter affinity range. Neurotransmission is a strictly regulated process (by feedback mechanisms). The process we discuss is a ballistic, flooding phenomenon. One cannot flood in the nanomolar range because without feedback it can easily overshoot. Anyhow, not the same mechanism like neurotransmission.
3. "The notion of endogenous DMT having physiological relevance is quite unlikely." For 40 years this has been the mainstream agenda. Then why is the three uptake processes and the one week storage for a physiologically insignificant drug? Vital molecules glucose, amino acids pass the blood-brain barrier by active process. And DMT. Perhaps not alone in its group, other tryptamine analogues my pass actively as well. Well, if bufotenin turns out to be the winner that would be fine with me! I can face a mistake like this: a terrible-horrible-no good-very bad hallucinogen drug has physiological effects. BUT it is not DMT, it is bufotenin. What a bummer! Our study still has relevance, next after showing DMT's anti-oxidative effects in neuronal cells, we may turn toward bufotenin.
4. “Sigma receptor function in dying is unclear.” But not in stroke, myocardial infarct, and other type of local ischemia. If local yes, why not general?
5. "Levels of free tryptamine (the substrate of DMT) in the body are low" That is a really good point! We have to think about it. At least in the study we use DMT exogenously (yet it is not consistent with our argumentation using converging data).
6. "It is like the romantic idea of pineal DMT." Barker et al. identified pineal DMT recently (2013): Rick Strassman was proven right.
 
jamie
#11 Posted : 6/8/2015 2:33:28 PM

DMT-Nexus member

Salvia divinorum expert | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growingSenior Member | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growing

Posts: 12340
Joined: 12-Nov-2008
Last visit: 02-Apr-2023
Location: pacific
"Barker et al. identified pineal DMT recently (2013): Rick Strassman was proven right."


...So it's true then?..very interesting stuff! Are we talking about presence of DMT in the pineal, or actual biosynthesis via the pineal?
Long live the unwoke.
 
efrecska
#12 Posted : 6/8/2015 4:20:51 PM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 21
Joined: 03-May-2013
Last visit: 24-May-2021
Location: Debrecen
Barker stated: "We report here, for the first time, the presence of N,N-dimethyltryptamine in pineal gland
microdialysate obtained from the rat." The pineal gland has the enzyme - known from the 70's - therefore very probably DMT is synthetized there.
 
dreamer042
#13 Posted : 6/8/2015 7:12:30 PM

Dreamoar

Moderator | Skills: Mostly harmless

Posts: 4711
Joined: 10-Sep-2009
Last visit: 21-Nov-2024
Location: Rocky mountain high
This is quite a fascinating line of thinking.

Is there a reason 5-MEO-DMT isn't also considered along with DMT and bufotenine? Does DMT appear to be a more likely candidate than these other tryptamines?
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...

Visual diagram for the administration of dimethyltryptamine

Visual diagram for the administration of ayahuasca
 
jamie
#14 Posted : 6/9/2015 2:06:13 AM

DMT-Nexus member

Salvia divinorum expert | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growingSenior Member | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growing

Posts: 12340
Joined: 12-Nov-2008
Last visit: 02-Apr-2023
Location: pacific
jesus...you need to come back here so I can pick your brain, werd.
Long live the unwoke.
 
a1pha
#15 Posted : 6/9/2015 2:32:56 AM


Moderator | Skills: Master hacker!

Posts: 3830
Joined: 12-Feb-2009
Last visit: 08-Feb-2024
efrecska wrote:
Barker stated: "We report here, for the first time, the presence of N,N-dimethyltryptamine in pineal gland
microdialysate obtained from the rat." The pineal gland has the enzyme - known from the 70's - therefore very probably DMT is synthetized there.

For reference, the study is posted here, as well as attached.

Excellent work efrecska. GL on the campaign!
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -A.Huxley
 
efrecska
#16 Posted : 6/9/2015 5:21:19 AM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 21
Joined: 03-May-2013
Last visit: 24-May-2021
Location: Debrecen
dreamer042 wrote:
This is quite a fascinating line of thinking.

Is there a reason 5-MEO-DMT isn't also considered along with DMT and bufotenine? Does DMT appear to be a more likely candidate than these other tryptamines?


Indeed, a line of thinking. Thus far we have composed a fairly well built story from the little data we have out there. This has lead to the immunological finding. I hope soon we will have more hard data at hand on the oxidative stress effects.

The sigma receptor effect of bufotenin is less known. Who knows? It may turn out to be the winner. As far as the anti-inflammatory effects DOI is brutally strong (in the picomolar range). It is not endo though.
 
Nathanial.Dread
#17 Posted : 8/16/2015 11:05:36 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 2151
Joined: 23-Nov-2012
Last visit: 07-Mar-2017
So let me see if I've got this right. The general idea goes like this:

Endogenous DMT acts as an agonist at the sigma-1 receptor, which, when activated, reduces cellular activity, prolonging the life of the neuron and extending the window before terminal death sets in.

I'm a little unclear about why exactly you've chosen to make DMT the centerpiece of this research (which is pretty cool, all told). There are other endogenous sigma 1 ligands (DHEA + derivatives, which also have low affinity). I don't have numbers, but I imagine that DMT is not the only endogenous tryptamine to have sigma 1 activity either.

From a clinical perspective, using DMT as a therapeutic agent also seems like an odd choice - there are tons of synthetic drugs out there with sigma 1 activity (it seems like most serotonergic drugs, like antidepressants also act there). Research into a scheduled psychedelic seems like it's making life unnecessarily difficult for you [mod edit: removed statement for privacy].

All told the choice to look at DMT seems kind of random.

Blessings
~ND
"There are many paths up the same mountain."

 
efrecska
#18 Posted : 8/17/2015 3:44:37 PM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 21
Joined: 03-May-2013
Last visit: 24-May-2021
Location: Debrecen
"...the choice to look at DMT seems kind of random."
Since DMT is considered to be an endogenous ligand of the sigma-1 receptor, therefore it's choice is not random. One may say (like us): primary.
It makes more sense to start from the natural ligand than from a synthetic one. An important physiological function is usually mediated by multiple channels and by choosing an "unnatural" compound one may miss out other pathways of the process.
In case of positive findings without doubt the pharmaceutical industry will step in with a synthetic derivative (there is little money in a natural drug). Will that chemical utilize the three transport mechanisms into the brain? Or like the SSRI fluvoxamine while exerting potent sigma-1 agonism is working against the "natural" ligand by blocking its uptake into neurons.
 
Swarupa
#19 Posted : 9/22/2015 11:57:34 AM
DMT-Nexus member

Senior Member

Posts: 1178
Joined: 12-Oct-2010
Last visit: 08-Jan-2022
I was recently sent a link to a study involving DMT that needs crowdfunding and it appears to be related to this, perhaps as the target wasn't reached the last time they've started a new one.

https://walacea.com/campaigns/dmt/
 
Bancopuma
#20 Posted : 10/12/2015 9:36:34 PM

DMT-Nexus member

Senior Member

Posts: 2147
Joined: 09-May-2009
Last visit: 28-Oct-2024
Location: the shire, England
Just to update peeps, the Walacea DMT campaign is less than £200 off its funding goal with 20 days left. I did donate to the Indiegogo campaign initially but I'm going to donate to this as well.

https://walacea.com/campaigns/dmt/
 
12NEXT
 
Users browsing this forum
Guest (2)

DMT-Nexus theme created by The Traveler
This page was generated in 0.031 seconds.