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#21 Posted : 6/3/2015 8:24:58 PM

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Sometimes it's difficult to avoid when you have it tattooed on your body Pleased

But generally if people ask I'll just say "oh these are sacred letters/symbols that mean a lot to me" and they stop there. If the person already knows what it is, then I'm more willing to talk with them about it.

A long time ago I read that DMT finds you, not the other way around. So if it finds certain people and those people happen to be around me asking about my ink, then yes I'll talk with them about it. Otherwise they usually show no further interest.
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#22 Posted : 6/4/2015 12:57:00 AM

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RAM wrote:
Sometimes it's difficult to avoid when you have it tattooed on your body Pleased

But generally if people ask I'll just say "oh these are sacred letters/symbols that mean a lot to me" and they stop there. If the person already knows what it is, then I'm more willing to talk with them about it.

A long time ago I read that DMT finds you, not the other way around. So if it finds certain people and those people happen to be around me asking about my ink, then yes I'll talk with them about it. Otherwise they usually show no further interest.


I also have a visible tattoo which has to do with the plants. Yesterday a lady asked about it, she was the first to ask. I told her it's a Native American thing having to do with sacred plants.

I used to try to tell everyone about these experiences, but got tired of it quite quickly, as no one really wants to hear it. But I've noticed that the people who really do want to learn somehow find me or I find them. I've met 2 or 3 amazing humans in this syncrenistic way. I think certain people are meant to cross our path, something like destiny I suppose, or perhaps it's simply gaia's plan. Like attracts like.
 
#23 Posted : 6/4/2015 2:05:18 PM
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I rarely talk about DMT with others. When I do though, it's never about the experience itself, but just some of the central information regarding it. I don't like to impose any sort of ideas about what they might experience; just hand them the pipe, explain a few rudimentary things/tips, smile, have a conducive setting and let them have at it.

Let them see for themselves.

Although, this doesn't happen too often. I rarely cross paths with anyone that has a sufficient depth of interest in this niche of experience. Although, there was an experience several days back with a beautiful lady, which I will post in another thread.

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#24 Posted : 6/6/2015 6:04:36 AM

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If I'm talking to someone who seems open to it I'll bring up ayahuasca or sacred plants. Recently I had a magnetic therapy session, not really my thing but I figured why not try it for the experience, the woman who conducted the session was a family friend who is very into alternative medicine. I asked her if she'd ever heard of ayahuasca, she said no so I wrote a few things on a piece of paper for her to check out. We had a very pleasant but brief conversation about it, I tried to use as little woo as possible.

Whenever I talk to people about psychedelics, that aren't close friends or trusted family members, I try not to go off on tangents like a snake oil salesman. I think it's important to keep a discussion going but it's incredibly important to keep things as open and objective as possible.
 
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#25 Posted : 6/6/2015 9:50:37 AM

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so i haven't read the comments yet but personally i try to talk to people in the medical profession about the importance of reading experience reports. as well as just about anyone. if i approach it in a certain way i can talk to just about anyone. i find that talking to non psychedelic users is important for understanding each other.

i don't always get the response i wish i had but i always try to help others understand why i support psychedelics.
 
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#28 Posted : 6/7/2015 11:09:36 AM

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While it's not my first choice for conversation, I do love spreading the good word. If I sense someone might be interested in psychedics though, I can't seem to keep quiet (which is strange if you know me, I don't say much on the best days). I try not to focus on the experience though, lest I taint their future experiences. I've found throughout my travels that people inexperienced in the ways of psychedelia seem to handle their first dmt experience better than experienced trippers (maybe because they have no preconceptions about what it should be). For example, I once met a guy who brought it up during our first meeting. He said he wanted to learn to extract it and when I offered to teach him he was ecstatic. After that extraction, I loaded up the machine and gave him his first taste of fresh dmt. He quickly convinced himself that he was dying and I don't mean in the philosophical, we're all dying as we speak sorta thing, I mean he actually wanted me to call an ambulance. That has to be my single worst dmt experience (and I didn't even have any!). Since then I've introduced dozens (maybe hundreds) of people to the spice and, without suggestion or expectation, they've all handled it much better. So I guess what I'm trying to say is: psychonaut or not, the spice is a great unifier. Now don't think I'm saying you should go handing it out willy nilly, but you don't have to be a tripper to appreciate the wonderous gift that is dmt. Thumbs up
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#29 Posted : 6/7/2015 1:31:55 PM
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I try to avoid any direct questions about psychoactive-substance induced thoughts or believes by shielding any detail I cannot share because of legal issues using the word "religion" (or buddhism, for Christians). Whether religion is a thing or not, I think the western world could use some acceptance of it before we find a better term and if they can come to terms with that I think they can come to terms with psychoactive substances.
IME if you translate "drugs" to "religion" I have not had any trouble sharing my integrations. I think if all you have to share are the visuals, you didn't get the lesson. That's what MDMA made me feel (I did dmt some times before that, never MDMA).
As long as you stay on sharing about your integrations instead of the thoughts you haven't even finished it shouldn't be a problem sharing it even with people even heavily opposed to weed. It's just a fine line between your lessons and universal ones which makes this difficult.

If you wanna share your thoughts, questions and ponderings I would try going with someone beyond you or aside you to assist you. (e.g. Shaman, Muze) You need to trust this person.
Otherwise the nexus is open 24/7.

And if you tell muggles about psychoactive visuals, just test the water. If they don't know the substances or have never heard of them, the Western world responds to this with fear and paranoia. But young people are still open, you can not rob humanity of it's nature.
I think nobody truly "grows up" anymore, that's why it's so hard to pinpoint this period. Because we have no relation and we are all individuals with equal rights apart from birthrights. There is no universal behavioral goal which leads to happiness, because we live in a sandbox and we are free.
That is the Western philosophy as I understood it. Now that I've found faith (psychedelics?, both?), my response is "if this is your world you can live in Minecraft".

If you are scared of adding the information that the (perhaps unknown) substance is illegal you might be hurting the other person or yourself in the end, some secrecy is just what is required for our own safety and that of those around us. If you don't trust telling them it's illegal, don't tell them, because even if you disagree it still is! I have a stupid story about my mom almost yelling dmt out of the window because I said the word and I didn't explain it quick enough. "YES GREAT BUT WHAT IS DMT??", next time I'm surely starting with noting the legality surrounding dmt before even saying the name.

TL;DR
It's illegal, don't share it with whom you don't trust.
As long as you watch out for the messiah-complex sharing integrations cannot make you sound crazy IME.
 
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#30 Posted : 6/8/2015 10:28:09 PM

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I know several people who I would call evangelical or born again Christians. I enjoy talking with them about entheogens, because it amazes me that they have no issue believing in a personal god, and having "faith" in said god. I like to attempt to explain to them that they could be experiencing god, as opposed to having faith. I think I'm making head way, hopefully one day I can share with one of these people, I can't wait to see what they have to say about that.
 
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#31 Posted : 6/9/2015 12:27:07 AM

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How often do you talk about DMT with non-psychonauts?


Rarely. I tend to mostly bring it up with friends who also have interests in this molecule.. even if they aren't committed or passionate about psychonautic activities, but dabble every now and then. Anyone with a disinterest I can respect completely, associated or not. These experiences and activities aren't for everyone. So in short, I tend to keep it to myself unless another is open about it (thank you Nexus Big grin ). As Tattvamasi already mentioned, it is probably best for others to inform themselves and to just give out hints and directions for others to look upon. That way they can decide for themselves if this is truly the direction for them or not.
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