During many of my trips I experience various body sensations like tension in my neck / back of my head or a kind of a block in my throat, or a pressure in the top of my head. I know that they're all psychologically induced but I don't know how should I deal with them.

I wonder if anybody has any method on dealing with such sensations?

I once tried to ask my girlfriend a neck massage that partly helped - it didn't got rid of the sensation but diminished it very much. But a week ago when I was doing 2C-P a massage didn't help at all with the same problem.

Another time, when I had the pressure sensation on the top of my head, I took a piece of paper and tried to draw what I felt. That also change my state as far as I can remember.

And at one more instance, when I was on acid, I also felt something unpleasant while coming down that I was trying to fight with through yoga. I also remember it helped a bit, though I don't remember exactly what sensations I had back then. It was long time ago.

Do You have the same/similar? How do You deal with it? Any advice?

Yes, I think I know what you mean. Do you have experienced with Ayahuasca/Mescaline or other naturals? How tolerant are you to drugs and how effective are they in producing hallucinations? I ask because, I spend my entire LSD comeup just yesterday doing yoga to get rid of tensions. I do not typically hallucinate but found this particular rather low dose of lsd to induce highly suffistocated hallucinations (Bone structure, Extrasensory perception, Energy), basically x-ray vision. But only after I was done dealing with these tensions. The way I deal with it is through body movement, music and breathing. The psychological part kind of prominent as you work with the body. Both are able to direct each other, i think?

Another fameous word to describe it is "Holotrophic Breathwork" coined by Stan. Grov. I personally haven't read the book yet.

Just a funny factor, I have been working with body tensions. And I'm still not sure if we are talking about the same things. I find that a certain drug will make me aware of the pains. While at other times, I will not feel anything at all. But.. When taking a drug or doing meditation, the pain will be felt again at exactly the same spot. And unless I work to remove it, the pain will always be a recurring thing. Funny becayse it seems to be always there but is not always felt. When felt is has a psychological toll on me. I wonder what kind of psychological toll it has on me when it is not felt? I find that for me personally, the pain in my back and has been worked on, the throat feels much better and am now working deeper in some organs and most of the tension is less situated in the head/neck. The tension has made it hard to fall asleep comfortably in the past. I now have little trouble falling asleep and meditating in one position. The way I work with it involved producing tensions with my muscles and breathing in and out. The tension produces notable breathing difficulties and on occasion "Phantom smells". The eventual release is a powerful out-breathe that seems to work anatomously. What i mean by that is that the force or pressure produced by the outlet is so strong that I am basically able to only resist it or let it go. The two outcomes can either produce naseau if I hold it in or psychological wellbeing if I let it out. Another outcome is letting it vibrate in my throat this produces overtones and intense hallucinations (this x-ray vision). I believe it works best in closed areas sensitive to vibrations such as the Gaza Pyramid. But that is a different kind of discussion.

I ask about Ayahuasca/Mescaline because I believe these two medicines can make the tension become more pronounced in tems of actual physical illness and naseau etc. resulting in the common purge. Psychological/metaphysical purge is but one way to remove the tension. I believe sex is another great way to work on this. Sex is important because basically what you are doing is combining all the goods ; Pranayama, Massage, Body movement and psychological release. The hormones being released change internal body chemistry as well. But sex has to be intimate for it to work.

Another thing that seems to help are fruits. Apples and Oranges has been good. Especially Apples. Try getting some blood circulation and working with cold/warmth and see what it changes. Mess around with cold and hot water. Try eating foods that look "happy" when u are tripping. I think certain kinds of vitamins can help. Some kind of Sourcy Vitamin waters seems to send vitamins to the head.

I am not sure what else to say here! This has been my experience. Another thing that I think should help are Paracetamols. As they dilute the blood and reduce oxidant pressure on the nerves. Short term solution, however. I would prefer to find a knowledgable shaman/medicine man before working with a substance. And more notably, I find that enjoying certain psychedelics is easier if the work has been done beforehand. So as to not have to deal with tension each and every time. -,- But I am thankful for these substances for bringing it out to the surface

If there is more you want to share i'm all ears. i am curious about ur drawing too. I hope my gibberish helped, if only a little. We are all students I am just trying to share my story, hope it helped.

Hello



I have some small experience with mushrooms and morning glory when it comes to naturals. They both weren't very visual to me. My hallucinations after mushrooms were shining lights, usually red, blue, and violet, enhanced colours, space distortions, moving textures, tiny, moving fractals on edges of existing objects like leaves, plants etc. And with morning glories similar but without lights. Visions I had after both were more like a dream, maybe more vivid. And I had to have my eyes closed. With mushrooms I can also "dream" like this with my eyes open - it's hard to explain but then I simultaneously see the visions and my normal eyesight.



Could You explain it a little more? I mean exactly what You do with certain body sensations?



I'm think we're talking about the same thing, but I would refer to it as a "pain". I mean I never felt any typical pain, let me write some examples what I've already felt:

With morning glory:
- a "block" in my throat, as if I swallowed a pill that stuck in my throat. I tried to make me vomit to help this but it didn't. The feeling began during coming down and stayed long after trip ended (up to couple of days)
- a pressure to my head, as if some force were pushing it towards my torso. I wanted to push my head into anything, a wall, some furniture... It was a malicious feeling that was only getting more intense with time. A strong nausea accompanied this; however it may had been caused by morning glory itself (the nausea). I was kneeing in front of lavatory seat, feeling very bad, having visions of people being eaten by the lavatory seat. Then I decided to try to draw my vision, I took a piece of paper, made few lines and suddenly puked violently. It really purged me, both physically and mentally.

With acid:
- on coming down - some kind of energy that was travelling from one part of my body to another, whenever I focused on the part that was occupied with it - it escaped to another. Then I tried yoga that partly helped. The tension preserved however in jaw and limb muscles.

With mushrooms:
- a tension in my upper neck, I tried to rotate and move my head back and forward but the feeling was still there. Then I asked my girlfriend to massage it a little bit that partly helped. After a month I had the same feeling after 2C-P. It's a very recent thing...

Few years back I usually had problems with entering trips. I would take my dose and before any mental effects came I would feel uncomfortable with my body: a lot of nausea, unrest, tensions and wriggling. It would last until I gave up my resistance and then my experience would get pleasant and possibly visionary.



Do You mean actually vomiting can release all this bad energy that's being trap within the body? Like in the situation I had with drawing a scene of a man being eaten by lavatory seat? Or I understand it wrong?



E.G. U mean like to put something cold or warm to my neck when I have the tension?



I wouldn't want to take any painkillers when I'm high, maybe only if I really felt some ache but I suppose I would tend to see it as something more from my psyche than from my body anyway.



Thank You for what You wrote, I find it very interesting.

And one more thing. I also heard about Holotropic Breathework. I haven't read the book although I read a few other books from Grof. They were very inspiring to me. Sometimes I think going for a session of HB would be a good thing to me, maybe I could learn how to deal with these sensations.

I find this is works in almost all situations.

Also, I find that I get more tension in my body when I don't feel completely "free" of the situation around me, i.e. at a show, with a group of people, ect. When I trip alone it seems that the freedom of doing exactly what strikes my fancy reduces the chance of tension greatly.

One night I ate 2.5g of mushrooms and the trip started with a lot of self-critical thinking and tension in my shoulders. As the trip progressed, I ended up cleaning my house. The dirty house seemed to be the blockage in this situation. It wasn't necessarily a mind-blowing experience but it did seem to be exactly what I needed to do at that moment.

I suppose there's no "one-method". It seems to me that focusing on breathing, stretching, and basic movement guides me to finding what exactly it is that's creating the physical tension in my body.

As a professional massage therapist I would say that 90% or more of chronic pain in the body is actually repressed emotions trying to get attention.

I wonder if something similar might be going on for you? Maybe psychedelics bring you into greater awareness of your body and emotions and your body sees that as an opportunity to get your attention?

Something you can try is to talk to that part of your body. Ask your body what it is trying to tell you. If you are working with plants like San Pedro or Mushrooms, ask the spirit of that plant what the pain means, what it is related to, or how you can let go of it. Often times just being curious and paying attention to it can start the healing process and all you gotta do is listen and stick with it.

They do something similar with Vipassana meditation - you sit still and listen to the sensations of the body because they will lead you to old memories, emotions and even trauma that you can heal just by acknowledging it. It is actually very powerful stuff.

I've found that cleaning my house (if I'm not totally incapacitated) is a great way to work out tension in my body, in addition to stretching and movement of course. I find it to be a therapeutic way to keep the mind centered and it always feels good to know that I'm doing something productive with my trip. It seems that I do this more often with mushrooms than anything else; nearly every time I dose with them I end up doing all sorts of chores.

I find that bringing detached awareness to any tension/blockage will one way or another help to dissolve or release it, the key is to remain detached and not even think about getting rid of anything, it's more like through awareness you embrace it, then in that detached space it can automatically work itself out

One of the main obstacles is seeing it as an obstacle, as wanting to get rid of a tension can just be more resistance, through facing it openly head on you may become more clearly aware of what needs to be released, how to do so... as then you aren't fighting against what is ultimately an aspect of yourself

Also laying down on a sofa or bed is good to relax your body as much as possible, often a tension can be some kind of attachment to the body so laying down and closing your eyes can help to go into a deeper release

I love doing Yoga in the latter stages of a trip for integration, entheogens have certainly changed how i approach having a stretch on a daily basis

I like to stretch before, during and on the comedown of any psychedelic trip. It just so happens that my tripping partner is also my stretching partner. We stretch like we are preparing to run a marathon!



I've noticed that I get a lot of tension, or more like an urge to stretch, when experimenting with any of the 2c-x family. Not so much on other psychedelics. I may be a bit biased though seeing as I get tension headaches anyway so I don't know if it is just my body chemistry or the psychedelics. A combination of both is likely.

Diet and hydration are also key components. A dehydration induced headache is annoyingly painful and is easily amplified when deep inside a journey. A daily multivitamin can help reduce muscle tension/cramps.

So while tripping (on certain things) I do a lot of stretching, stretching and more stretching. I mix that with refocusing my attention and staying hydrated. This usually results in a mostly blissful event.

I would not be so quick to assume that the tensions are psychologically induced. Clearly different substances will have the tendency to introduce different tensions. When I take LSD, I will tend to get back aches and jaw tension, but I have virtually no tension on DMT. With InfectedStyle's example of the tension translating as the purge in ayahuasca, I would disagree that tension is the issue here. The nausea is a result of an alkaline imbalance. I would tend to feel that these tensions are chemical in nature.

To clarify, when I am experiencing tensions on LSD, the single-most useful remedy is to smoke DMT and the tensions instantly alleviate. When the DMT wears off, the tensions return. If it were a matter of psychology, then tensions alleviated by the DMT would be expected to remain alleviated once the DMT wears off if any sort of psychological trauma had been remedied.

Got tensions? 2-4mg Diclazepam or 20-40mg Diazepam. I'm currently on the first one and my annoying back/neck pain is gone. Like poofff, gone!

I also like to mix it with my 25I-NBOH trips to stop paranoia or tensions. 25I-NBOH is a derivative of 2C-I. Worked great last time. Caution is advised: benzos are addicting with prolonged use. Read the literature extensively! But I don't see any contraindications mixing benzos with acid/shrooms. Some prefer it to get rid of the preflight anxiety or out-of-control thoughts - some say it'll dull the trip.

I can totally recommend it in moderate doses (2-4mg Diclazepam + 500 µg 25I-NBOH).

Another idea is to get your daily 300-400mg of magnesium (from mg citrate not mg oxide).

I'm sorry for not responding since 6 months... sigma&pi came to here for help and I was the first to respond and leave. That's rude. So apologies.


2cb gives me complications in a tension on the right side of my forehead. Which has been a spot for migraines since youth. 2cb gives loads of nausea at higher doses. Loads of compounds tend to hurt me in this area.

I hope I won't get shunned for sharing a bit of my unguided experience with
Mescaline Is a relatable substance to 2c-x it gives me pain/nausea instead of tensions. Intense pains in my stomach. Which then get worked on with rolling movements and as the pain completely leaves me I feel a phlegm/bile build up in my shoulders/neck. Then I went outside for some reason and had the feeling like people could "smell" garbage from me energetically. And I purged a lot mentally.

I have never taken mescaline since but I felt a lot better afterwards.