I agree with you. Even with strong opiates people tend to blow the effects out of proportion like they watched trainspotting one too many times or something. Anyway here is my input on the subject:

Opiates are only destructive because they are illegal. High prices, impure products, dangerous contaminants (fentynal) cause the dangerous lifestyle. Kratom is a safe alternative (although even alternative would be a stretch as it is very different from other opiates). Yes it may be somewhat addictive but so what. At least people know what they are taking and it is affordable and available. Look at all the problems that arrise from opiate addiction, all of them are avoidable if the drug was only readily available to the user.

What is my proof? Prior to drug prohibition there were the same % of opiate addicts that there are today (% of population) yet overdoses were down, opiate associated crime was down, even IV use was less and heroin could be bought at the store by anyone. This is the truth it is prohibition that has made opiates the monster that they are today. It is prohibition that causes these things and thus the dangers. High prices, low quality product, fluctuating doses are caused by prohibition not opiates. Thus so what if people get addicted, what does that matter. They aren't losing their jobs, they aren't stealing to support their habits, they are not injecting kratom tea cut with crap because it is affordable, legal and available.

Kratom helps a lot of people more than it harms. More research should be done however I think controlling kratom will do no good. Making anything illegal only acts to increase the dangers because you lose control. Regulation is control. Controlling price, purity, availability.... this is power to minimize the dangers. All drugs should be regulated and controlled by the government. This should be done to minimize the harm associated with drug use. Drugs are not harmless but prohibiting them only makes them more dangerous as well as create crime.
are never going to stop using recreational chemicals. This is a part of being an animals. Animals from all types use recreational drugs (birds, insects, mammals...)

I am an opiate addict. I have serious back pain and am prescribed opiates. I have tried kratom and see little comparison. It is a mild legal intoxicant and that is why it is still legal. I could not imagine becoming addicted to kratom. Yes some people do but if so so what. This is there choice. I think that the potential should be acknowledged (as I feel it is maybe not on the forum but on other sites). There is nothing wrong with addiction in and of its self. Many people are self medicating and need opiates. It helps a lot of people with anxiety, depression, and pain. opiates are able to make one feel content and this is a very useful trait of any chemical. Addiction is a personal choice. Addiction maybe dangerous depending on the drug such as alcohol but especially if the substance like many opiates is not innately harmful. If one wants help then they should seek it. Society should offer help and research possible techniques to aid in treatment of addiction but prohibition is not an effective strategy. History has showed us it never has been and we should learn from that.

I had a vendor getting 50g of 15x(15x is floor sweepings and a bit of a scam another thread) for 90US you could oder 1 a day. Wile on vacation I went on major kratom bindge in 10days of daily use i was taking 50g of 15x a nite in 4 or 5 doseings. I could feel the effects but did not even nod off once. I have never even seen H but I am sure its cheaper than kratom. The tolerance from daily use is huge after a month you could be suckin down the equivenent of a kilo of leaves a day if you had unlimited supply with barely noticable effects. And yes it was pretty rough 24hours at the end of my 10day binge. But as Keith Richards said the first 24 to 48 is living hell after that its up to you. He is still alive and playing rock n roll more power to you bro.

I think it is overpriced ripoff neverless highly enjoyable to use on occasion.

M.V.

Dr Dean Odel on his radio show said he would rather have a junkie working for him than a alcholic as long as the junkie had his fix he functioned for the most part normally. Alchol destroys the body and kills brain cells every time you drink you dont have to be a drunkard to kill brain cells three beers will do it. Clean optiates do very little damage and can be use for a lifetime with out serious damage to the body and its organs. The proublem is addiction and scoring the fix.

I have often thought if drugs became legal all of them it would not be a pretty site AT FIRST but after the deaths from smoking crack/H ect. people would see the truth and not do drugs becaused it bad for you not because the state/gov tells you not to do them.

Hey guys,

I have come to terms that I started this thread in an effort to find support for what was a bruised ego at the time of writing it. I have overcome the issue and see no reason for my comments to remain on this thread.

Mods - feel free to remove the whole thread if you wish.

Peace and Enlightenment to all!
-idt

If the other people on the thread who contributed are OK with removing the entire thread, I'll do it. Could they please speak up about this?

I don't really want to remove something that someone said, who wants it to remain.

If people delete their own comments then I'll, of course, just rip the entire thread out....

I'll delete mine as a start...

Good point SWIMfriend. Feel free to leave it. I just wanted it to be known as to why I deleted my comments.

Thanks brutha!

deleate away ok with me i can ramble my speel on another thread

its only a simple single opion lost we got a unlimited supply

For the record i came to the site looking for info on kratom and landed on this first, so it helped me... i vote leave it.