Or at least it did so for us.

Hello DMT-Nexus,
We have tried to extract an useable product from Phal. Arund. in 3 tries. MHRB is not easily available where I live so we needed something else, but luckily we managed to pin down the location of the best wild flowering phalaris strains in our area with the help of a botanic professor in the end. It only took us 3 days and one false identification.

For everyone who is on the lookout for Phalaris Arundinacea: Be warned about it's similarities with "Honey Gras"

In our first extraction we managed to get a white, crystal powdery .120g and oily yellow .150g after drying the goo.

In our second one, I believe we have rushed the extraction pulls a little bit too much and thus ended up with almost no residue after naphtha evaporation.

Now I need to pose a Question to the DMT-Nexus about the extraction tek, that should be used.

We decided to adapt a tek that has been specifically designed for Phalaris by a member of this forum "on processing phalaris.pdf".

(We used this slightly different tek in our second extraction.)

1. Put fresh Material through a Wheat Juicer.
2. (optional: we took the dejuiced plant material, mixed it with minimal amounts of water and put it in the mixer, after it has blended, it can be strained through a cloth to gain green solution in the same shade as the dejuiced)
3. We slowly boiled the chlorophyll out of the solution and after it has seperated we filtered it through the cloth again.
4. we added 100g of NaOH again with minimal amount of water to the solution, and stirred it thorougly.
5. After our Naphtha had been heated we combined it with the solution and stirred it again.
6. We used roughly 100ml and 150ml Naphtha in two pulls and stored it in glass petri dishes

Then we put our extract into the freezer for 45 minutes to see if anything precipitates out, but it did not seem like it, so we evaporated it.
Attached are the Pictures from the evaporated petri dish.

I know now, that patience definetely is a key component in the whole procedure and if we would have let the naphtha sit for 10-20 minutes, didnt rush the freeze precipitate and did more pulls we might have yielded around the same as in our first extraction.

But I have been wondering why almost all other teks, and many people use them also for Phalaris, include Acidifying the solution, like in the basic A/B extraction teks and so on.

At this point I am basically fearing that our extraction is not usable but only an Internet-Rumor (we did not achieve breakthrough from smoking our first product, so tension is building up) and that only A/B and STB teks are sufficiant.

So... Does any kind member of this forum know where the difference in using Acid/Base or STB to the Method that we used is, and which one did you find to be the best?

(Since we are using wild Phalaris for our research we do not want to waste too much of it)

Happy Middle of the week to everyone

Just watching for later

Have you tried any of it?

Yes, from our first extraction we took the entire 120mg, split it into parts of 30-40mg each and tried to smoke it from a makeshift plastic bottle bong, at that point of time we didnt even know that no open flame should touch the DMT.
There are so many things wrong with the way that we tried it... the plastic bottle didnt quite ventilate that well and not the best volume came through it.
30mg of our product doesnt have to be 30mg DMT and if it did we might have burnt a lot of it in the process of smoking.
Oh, and also it has been the first time for each of us to try smoking DMT

We did not achieve breakthrough but we definetely felt a buzz, just like after a pretty big pot bong hit. not only dizzyness but also a body feeling of sorts.

The only time I tried to smoke it was in a glass bong,
I used improper technique and burnt a lot of it.
But I definitely got the pulling sensation in my forehead and got slight visuals for about 2 minutes.
I didn't extract myself though,
Your stuff looks good man!

There is a lot of natural variability in phalaris alkaloid content, specially wild. Its hard to generalize or speculate as to what you might have there without more tests.

At the very least get 2-3 different reagents to test your product. I'd suggest ehrlich reagent, marquis reagent and mandelin reagent. That might give some clues as to what you have there.

and/or if you are willing to spend 50 euros you can always try EC's international testing service (link in my signature)

And next time try a vaporizing method instead of smoking in a makeshift bong. For example the green buddha or the GVG.

Good luck

It is unlikely that you have DMT in any purity there, and wild phalaris arundinacea should not be pursued if you are looking to obtain pure DMT from a plant. The alkaloid spectrum varies in wild specimens of phalaris arundinacea and a number of tryptamines and beta carbolines will likely be present.

Please see my work in both the nexian and the winter 2015 issue of dragibus..and my thread phalaris teacher.

Wild arundinacea is it's own thing. I have my own ideas about using this plant as an herbal medicine, that I don't really talk about much here, but I think tinctures and extracts of the plant can be used as an herb to supplement pineal metabolites and analogues of those metabolites in micro doses, to aid yoga and meditation and improve the well being of others in daily herbal regimes in place of ayahuasca microdoses to conserve more exotic amazonian plants. The effects at this level can feel very similar IME to very low doses of ayahuasca.

afaik, noone is using the plant this way, or talking about using it this way.