Hi,

It's been a while as life can get busy and I had failed to make the freebase before but now is the time to give it another shot. So I followed BLAB but in the conversion to fumerates something went wrong. I didn't know and tried to convert the fumerates (or not) to a freebase but it never worked with any of the teks. The goo on the plate is what should have been freebase after the conversion from fumerates with sodium carbonate and IPA but it dissolves in water.(the black dots are from not being careful in the oven or outside) The powder is what should have been my fumerates. I would like to make the goo into fumerates and then try to make the freebase again. I have not got any limonene anymore and I have only got around 300 ml IPA left and there's no way I can get more of either. I have got plenty of fumeric acid and also still around 200 gr. of lye. Can I just dissolve the goo in water and slowly put in FASI to create fumerates? Or maybe dissolve it into FASW? What would be the best thing to try and what other options would I have? I don't mind wasting DMT as long as I can get something turned to fumerates and then later freebase.

Kind regards,
PPE

You say "it dissolves in water" . How did you test that? What did you do with the water from that test?

What do you mean with "it never worked with any of the teks" ? What teks did you try and what didn't work?

Did you throw anything away so far? If not, can you please describe exactly what kind of liquids and powders you have and what path you took to get to them?

Hi Endlessness,

Thank you for your quick response.

I accidentally dropped a bit of it in some water many months ago. I discarded that bit of water. This is now made with dry IPA instead of dry acetone but it looks just the same and therefore I assumed it is the same. I just tested it and it does as well dissolve in water albeit not that easy but I didn't use warm water.

The 3 teks I tried are type 1, 2, and 3 on the fumerates to freebase conversion tek page.

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...Freebase_Conversion_TEK

The remains after type 1,2,and 3 did give me an effect after smoking but nowhere near other realms. Just tripping in my head and colours came out more, pretty scary because you have got no control.

At the moment I have got the goo/oil on the picture freshly made from my fumerates with type 3 conversion with dry IPA. I had tried the same before with dry acetone and I've still got that goo. (I've attached a picture of it now)

I have got more of my fumerates

I followed BLAB to get my fumerates and went to step 4B since I didn't have IPA.

Kind regards,
PPE

Something went wrong so here's the picture.

Thank you.

dreamer042 says he experimented with DMT freebase dissolving in water, specially if its a lot of water and warm. It should be practically insoluble in cold basic water, which is why is how the precipitation type works.

Also if there's any resulting n-oxide, it will get dissolved into water. Also if the DMT itself is oily, it can simply melt and form a practically invisible layer on top of the water so you think its dissolved but its not.

When you say you smoked, how did you smoke and how much? Did you accurately weigh your dose? Goo dose estimating is very hard, it is misleadingly heavy. Also if you are not using a propper vaporization method like the GVG or Green Buddha or inspirator mkII or a good convection-based model, your technique may be at least partly responsible for reduced effects.

Out of curiosity, why were you dropping some of it to water?

An easier way to see get alkaloids from it and separate from whatever impurities would be to dissolve the freebase in IPA or Acetone and FASI/FASA it again. So if what you have is in freebase form, you can go ahead and do that. Just be sure to add the FASI/FASA very slowly dropwise.

If its in salt form, you could drytek it making paste with sodium carb and FASI/FASA again.

I used a glass vapour genie to smoke albeit not with the top part on it. I did try that twice but it didn't really seem to give much vapour. I used a torch lighter and a digital scale (0.000) and accurately weighed it from 50mg up to 100mg. I had a few fails which were pretty scary because you've got absolutely no control I guess. So I tried a few times to get a big hit so 1 hit would be enough to blast off but I never got very far. I never really used all that was in there, I had a hard time making it into much vapour I guess. That's why I slowly put more in.

I forgot why it was what I was doing because it's quite a while ago but I had put some DMT in a small glass and put that into a pan full of hot water to melt it. When I let it slip into the water I saw it was too late to save, at least that's what I thought.

So If my oil in the dish doesn't dissolve in water easily it most likely is freebase? It's been out in the open for three full days now will that make it dissolve in water quicker already or is that too quick to oxidise?


Thank you very much once again.

Kind regards,
PPE

Was the paste finely powdered? Was it dried completely? Did you rigorously stir it into the IPA? Did you filter the IPA before evapping?
Think of it like sugar in hot water, even though it is very soluble it still needs good stirring to make it all dissolve.
What plant was it from? It could just have low % of alks.
Did you make sure the solution was at a high enough pH before the very first pulls? If not then there wont be much alkaloids in the solvent to convert to fumarates in the first place..

I think possibly your method of smoking was a problem in the first place. You should definitely put the top part of the vaporgenie, otherwise its not a vaporizing pipe.

Also, did you use multiple screens or a ceramic pad or the volcano liquid pad under the dmt ? Multiple screens doesnt work well, better get the volcano liquid pad or the ceramic pad

If you "never really used all that was in there" , then where did it go? You can always recover it .

Also Im not sure I understand the last part, its almost as if you are describing that you want it to be water soluble?

Why dont you just dissolve the goo in IPA and then add FASI to reprecipitate the fumarates now?

Good luck!

The paste was definitely finely powdered this time and it was dried completely as well. I put it in a small jar with lid and shook it vigirously each time. But I did not filter the IPA before evapping and I'm sure there's some sodium carbonate in there as well at least this last time. But that only makes the dosing a little off I believe. It was from MH root bark and it does smell fairly strong. I did not check the ph when I was doing the extraction since I used exact amounts and destilled water I didn't think it was necessary.

Yes I agree my art of smoking is handicapped to say the least. I will go over the material again this time before smoking since it's been a while that I went through the info on it and I will use the top part. If I remember correctly it didn't really smoke much or it seemed to burn that way but I did not experiment enough like that.

I used multiple screens, about 10 or so, will try with a ceramic pad next time.

It was hard for me to smoke all what was in the pipe, it was either burned or not heated enough. That's when I started thinking there could be something wrong with my "freebase"

I've got enough anyway so I'll jump on the smoking methods and try once more with the oil now. If that's no good then I'll dissolve it in IPA and add FASI.

Fingers crossed and thank you both very much for your help, it's highly appreciated.

Kind regards,
PPE