Are you aware of how comments like these might cause one to see you as a condescending little twerp with a lot of overheated adolescent issues?

I pity your sad little self-defeating mindset, but if nothing else it seems to provide a platform from which you can bloviate.

@ fathomlessness
Have you ever considered diving head first into the facets of reality that you so easily discount? As in, follow a set of steps starting now that will inevitably lead you into that which you find so boring and unsatisfying with life.
Get a day job, and stick with it for years. And years. Until you are so physically overwhelmed by the feelings you unabashedly throw around you have a direct anchor in that which you do not want to be.
Then you will have an accurate frame of reference on "the monotony of it all", not an uninformed and frankly naive observation.
Some people, a lot of people actually quite enjoy a simpler life. That doesn't discount their experience at all.

"Be that which you hate so much, know it. Let it fuel the fires of your passion."

Perhaps I need the female mice! But, that is the nature of brainwashing... Open the cage for the bird and it won't leave.



I wish travelling could fix it but it is of a different nature. My problem lies in the emotional textures of qualia and fathoming through meaning by feeling. Travelling only alters awareness in a way which isn't relevant to my problem psychologically. I need to blow my mind in another respect.



I can still feel happy, hence my pictures in the Funny, humorous memes of DMT or other mind-expanding agents thread.

It is more centre around conditioning and how the intellectual patterns make the conditioning apparant, enough to be known that it is present and that I am a slave.

Like taking a magnificent natural child and forcing him with malice to see the world through a particular kind of way by brainwashing him repeatedly in a room for days on end. He comes out knowing that he is seeing the world differently and can't do anything about it because the brainwashing never ends. So he takes psychedelics to help, all they do is take the brainwashed state and amplify & mutate it and they don't ever deliver him back to his true original state.



For me, it can only be closure through reason (seeing the truth of a pros and cons situation) and if that leads to suicide then so be the the truth of way things are.

You see more negative than myself. Normally, you would state the problems of which others may not be aware, but here you just seem to have skipped that step and replaced it with cuss words to emit your negativity which I assume grew from an inability to comprehend what I was really saying. Please though, feel free to go into details about how I may be wrong for that is what helping is about right? Or do you not want to try and help me and just bellitle with nasty words instead?



Tried that for three years, it ends in how I feel now. Please eloborate for my sake on how I am naive in my explications? I wish I could see how the simple life is enjoyable but perhaps I have a different subjectivity that is disallowing me that right. As for letting it fuel the fire of passion, it fuels the passion of intolerance of existance. I don't see how it could fuel anything else?

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder....It's that simple. If someone can't perceive the inherent beauty in everything (and I have difficulty myself sometimes, but I try, and will continue to try to be more grateful for what life gives me), then there is something wrong with that person. All Life is perfect. All Life is sacred. What an amazing opportunity being consciousness and in a human body is... If you started to look at your ''problems'' as opportunities to make yourself a better person, a person living more in harmony with all of life....well then you would start heading down the correct path.

If one is truly grateful for what one has, then bliss and contentment will emerge. It is only natural. But if one goes through life saying, thinking and feeling..This is so messed up. Why did this happen to me. Why can't I have everything just how I want it? wah wah wah....then one will become even more miserable, taking for granted everything they have. This is how depression starts, and it's a deep dark hell to dig yourself out of when you get deep down...and if you find yourself too deep in the whole, you might just get trapped down there..and it's dark and cold and no light

Fathomlessness...Do you have 2 arms, 2 eyes, can you walk? can you breathe. Do you have a warm dry place to sleep? are you worried about being raped, or murdered..having bombs dropped on you? You more than likely have soooooooooooooooooo much more than most people and creatures have in this world. Yet you come accross as being very conceited and very spoiled...like life owes you more? Why give more to those that are ungrateful with the most SACRED of opportunities they have now???? If anything, those that are ungrateful, deserve LESS

we all do

Looking for satisfaction in a partner will ultimately only lead one away from true happiness.

Looking for happiness outside of oneself is only going to lead to misery

Some wise words here

i agree to an extent, i know people who put there expectations of happiness into others and it doesnt seem to bode well, but go tell that to a lonely person who is happy in every other aspect of their life.

you cant finish a jigsaw if your missing pieces.

Life isn't easy. It's not about being easy, being given exactly what you want, being told what you want to hear....

A great old saying goes. ''The lips of widsom are closed except to the ears of understanding''

And that part about not being able to finish a jigsaw if your missing pieces. That's a defeatist mentality. You have already lost the battle if that's how you think

And by the way, i do tell that to lonely people....Those are the people who need to hear it the most, whether they want to or not. I live by my own advice, as much as possible. For example, It's been 3 years since i've been in a relationship. It has been 2 1/2 years since I masturbated. I have no plans for either anymore.

well i guess we disagree.

From what I gather throughout this thread you seem to speak for great swathes of people, attaching to them weak linguistic concepts that are difficult to prove or disprove.


Whilst this may, on the surface appear to be an innocent attempt at pigeon-holing the people that you encounter. I have some hard news for you: In your mind it may appear as though people are emotionally cut-off (you probably don't make much eye contact do you?) but it is in fact quite the opposite. Although I cannot speak for humanity as a whole, I would be happy to bet my life that a considerably large percentage of the population is implicated deep within this "wonderfully intelligent universe", blissfully enjoying all of its precious bounty.


This speaks for itself.


This line in particular perpetuates an extremely narrow view of the world that is hidden behind self-aggrandisement. This character has graced the stage before: Jonestown, Waco Texas etc. I don't think you are a sociopath yet, but this kind of talk does not help. Even if it is in jest.


Again, you speak of "we" as though a wizard atop a mountain preaches to the townsfolk. The problem is though, the wisdom in which you preach is somewhat inaccurate and I will gladly elaborate on this.

To be bored - feeling weary and impatient because one is unoccupied or lacks interest in one's current activity.
To be satisfied - fulfilment of one's wishes, expectations, or needs, or the pleasure derived from this.

These two terms co-exist within each other. The quest for satisfaction implies that one is occupied with a task or activity that will eventually lead to satisfaction. If this is not attained, one feels dissatisfied. But they are still occupied with the task of attaining satisfaction. Now, one can be bored throughout the entire process but this is especially true when satisfaction is realised because one is no longer occupied with the task of attaining satisfaction.

I am not going to go into elaborate detail on what I find to be the most troubling aspects of this thread, I am not qualified (and this train has been de-railed far off the track of the OP). But I will point them out. These Examples are out of context.


















"A man stuck in a well of procrastination need blame no-one but himself"

Be safe my friend.

To the o/p:

You sound like you're going through a rough patch. Yes, i'm sure you and most of us realise we are trapped to an extent in Society and that it has it's bad points, but a healthy mindset realises it does have good points too, and if you have a simple lifestyle and are physically healthy, then count yourself lucky, and have good reason to smile!

However, if you are 'so into your problems' that you simply cannot see a positive way out that empowers you to positively express yourself into this world, then in my opinion, (and others) you're probably suffering from Depression, and i would advise you to seek a Doctor/Psychotherapist, soon.

It isn't a sign of weakness to admit to being depressed, and it takes a man to be honest about it, but if you don't treat it, it just get's worse. Because you don't seem to have your shit together right now, i DON'T advise you to injest any mind altering stuff because your 'SET' isn't healthy.

Your talk about Suicide shows that you are truly in need of help. That isn't a rational or reasonable thing to be talking about if you were healthy and 'sound'.

In the mean time why not try and transform your negativity into positivity? Instead of seeing boredom and misery try doing something positive about making good changes to your life? List your talents and strengths, eat well, exercise, get help and support from real people-not internet forums, etc, etc. Learn, share, expand!

I have had a week to think over the replies in this thread and have come to a few realizations and conclusions.

I see the causes of how my line of thinking arises, a disdain for my situation in the world without any consideration for any fortunes or possible clarification of hidden causes. It is so easy to become hindered and opressed by obsessive negative thinking and not see the light of the situation, in this case being the possibility of liberated states of mind through the use DMT and other practices.

I have in the past became aware of the truth of what other members have put forth in there replies, but out of a constant reinforced system of thought I have trained myself to not just forget them but not understand them either. It is only in the brief openings of my awareness/consciousness that I am able to realize such truths as:

-be mindful, present, and grateful in everything you do
-Sometimes you're the pigeon, sometimes you're the statute..
-be the change you want to see.
-Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...
-it's through this crisis you are having that will initiate you on a quest to be your own change.
-life as I experience it is a beautiful and fleeting privilege even in the times when it sucks the most
-If one is truly grateful for what one has, then bliss and contentment will emerge
-Looking for happiness outside of oneself is only going to lead to misery
-The lips of widsom are closed except to the ears of understanding


I conclude the problem is dependant on my awareness. The causes are aspects of society which program and condition my awareness negatively. I then become unable to understand the truths listed above and become discontented and frustrated looking outward for meaningless satisfaction and the cycle continues until suicide. The cure is to liberate the awareness through altered states of consciousness and to see past all the delusion that has incurred from being in a forced state of mind.

I created this thread because I wanted to depict a typical aversive and perturbed reaction to the negative aspects of modern society (i.e. ego production, forced education, societal conditioning, the modern state of mind of most individuals aswell as physical characteristics of society like traffic, pollution, ratio of cell block houses to parks etc).

It is I think curcial to make the distinction between voluntary thought & behaviour and physical inability & disability. If one is physically impaired mentally by chemical imbalances, disorders, genetic abnormalities, brain trauma or societal brainwashing, then any depressive thought patterns that arise as a result of that should not be put down to the fault of the individual in not addressing an appropriate way of looking at life... The individual is physically unable to do so!

With that being said, there are many opportunities to overcome such barricades of realization... namely altered states of consciousness such as the DMT state.

While this may not be a solution to the problem of the birthright of a pure state of conscioussness, it is all there is to conteract the evil that asserts itself on the minds of human beings in this post-industrial, technological society that is manipulated by processes beyond there ability to understand.