OK I hope my brother's friend didn't screw this up. He was in the recrystallization stage. about a gram of spice, added around 25ml solvent. (he knows this is probably too little, but he looked a about 3 teks and decided on this amount) everything went fine. yellow sludge on the bottom, poured into another container, left the sludge in first container. crystal clear solvent in second container. this is where things went wrong. Poured another 5ml or so of solvent into 1st container. wasn't sure so he gave it a swirl, this created yellow sludge, a white cloudy solvent. He then re heated and it went clear again till he pour it into the 2nd container. the white cloudy came back and some went into the 2nd container. Is this bad? do I want the cloudy stuff or no. unfortunitly when he tried to reheat the yellow sludge, most the white cloudy stuff for a 3rd time, he spilt it in the water. BLAH!! no saving it for later. His main concern is if the cloudy white is his crystals and should have added it. from what I read you don't want it. but I think I just need some reassurance. thanks guy

I don't think anyone is listening, but i'll post it any ways He took the solvent out of the freezer, dried it and weighted it. and lost over half of the total weight somewhere... YIKES!!

We're listening - to you making it fucking hard for yourself. Heat the spice and solvent in a water bath. Add just enough solvent to dissolve the spice. Gradually cool to freezer temperature. Pour off the solvent, dry the crystals and separate them fron the yellow chalky crap. Done.

Sorry guys first time trying this and I got a bit frustrated/excited. But now I see where things went wrong. Jump the gun a bit at the end. Thanks for the guidance.

SWIM followed Nomans STB tek using 50g of prepowdered pink mimosa bark and only got roughly 50 mg. SWIM knows of atleast one fault which was to use too much naptha, could that be explaining the low yeild? Also the naptha seems to be the OMS stuff, maybe SWIM should try harder to find less refined stuff? Though the ammonia available here is 24.5% at hardware stores, some strong shit I tell you. Mixed it with 50% water. Actually couldn't find any weaker. The spice seemed really clear white, only faint signs of yellow before the ammonia wash. No recrystalisation was done. Oh yeah the lye contained Sodium cloride and Sodium stearate, you think SWIM may have better luck if he used one which only talks about sodium hydroxite and metal particles? It was SWIM's first time and when trying figured might aswell do it all, mighty supid I know. But SWIM's throat forgot how to smoke despite being a regular smoker for 10 years. So prolly only got around 5-10 mgs worth. Was a nice introduction none the less. Thanks for a really cool place, prolly become a regular though time will tell

OMS isn't worth shit for pulling DMT. It doesn't freeze precip well either, so you should evap it if you havent already. I dont know what kind of hydroxide you're trying to use, but all that other shit is bound to be getting in the way and if you used the quantities called for in the tek, you underbasified since the stuff you used isn't pure lye. DONT use kitchen crystals - the stuff with metal flakes in it - it wont work. If you still have your basified solution left, you can get some real lye and add 25g or so and get some real naptha and do a couple of pulls with that. I bet you get at least another 100mg. BTW - where in the fuck do you live that you can buy 24.5% ammonia in a store?

Cool Thanks I'll try find better stuff tomorrow at a bigger hardware store. Sweden It's used to clean paintbrushes and such if I remember correctly, I hear you can get 30-35% in the pharmacy, When I'm looking at solution there seems to be "landscape" in the naptha(on top of the rest) is that something to care about?

[quote:c9e1c9e0df="sponkern"]When I'm looking at solution there seems to be "landscape" in the naptha(on top of the rest) is that something to care about?[/quote:c9e1c9e0df] You mean between the polar and non? Like this? [img:c9e1c9e0df]http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1443/dsc0011jr1.jpg[/img:c9e1c9e0df] Nah, it looks cool but the goods are in the upper layer.

Can't quite make out the phonomena in the picture but basically it looks like mountains of MHBR etc sticking up into the naptha ontop...

I'm aware of my post count, but please do not disregard my message. I've been lurking (didn't see that coming, eh?) for a few weeks and have been working on my first MHRB extraction by research for literally hours a night to amass all the info I can. So far, my extract isn't going great. I suspect it's a ph/water issue, but I'm not experienced, though I have a handle on the chemistry. It's kinda syrupy. (STB with pre-powdered MHRB. A pitfall, I just found out.) So far, I have ~100mg of yellowy powder (all in one pull) and all my other pulls (4 or 5) are pulling nothing. After the NH3 wash, it is still yellow. My powder was exposed to light. Could that have a negative impact? After I fix this, I'll shoot for entheogenist's toulene red spice tek. Anyway, I humbly ask for some guidance. My arrogance/ignorance has 1/2 lb of MHRB wrapped up into this, with another 1/2 for my next round. Thanks.

[quote:c695ea0326]So far, I have ~100mg of yellowy powder [/quote:c695ea0326] From how much bark? A half pound? [quote:c695ea0326]all my other pulls (4 or 5) are pulling nothing.[/quote:c695ea0326] I assume the naptha is seperating fine? If so i would venture to say it's not a ph issue. Are you mixing it sufficiently? End over end. Not shaken, not stirred. [quote:c695ea0326]After the NH3 wash, it is still yellow. My powder was exposed to light. Could that have a negative impact?[/quote:c695ea0326] On the color? Doubt it. If you want white or clear crystals you're going to need to recrystallize, but a little yellow never hurt anyone.

Well, I smoked my material (presumably DMT) with my two of my friends in a glass slide with steel wool. Worked great even among three people and effects were definitely more than placebo. I'd never tried it before, but it was the best drug experience of my life. Then they inadvertantly smoked some 5-meo-dmt soaked weed.... whooooo I figured out the issue was crystals redissolving during filtration and some still stuck in the mason jars. I alleviated this by warming the jars under the tap and pouring the solution into a small pyrex dish (about 6'' by 4'', iirc). Perfect to put in the freezer or let evap off because of the high surface area. Then can be scraped and most everything can be gotten out.

Apologies if this has been dealt with already further back in this thread but I didn't have time to read it all and search engine wasn't throwing up anything obvious. I wanted to ask about re-using naphta in multiple pulls? is this ok and is there a limit to how much dmt a given quantity (100ml) of naphta can contain - or indeed to the amount of dmt it can pick up before I need to get the dmt out?

[quote:5d6f56be18]I wanted to ask about re-using naphta in multiple pulls?[/quote:5d6f56be18] Yes deffinately. [quote:5d6f56be18]is there a limit to how much dmt a given quantity (100ml) of naphta can contain - or indeed to the amount of dmt it can pick up before I need to get the dmt out?[/quote:5d6f56be18] There is a limit to how much it can hold, exactly how much, i don't know. Maybe someone else has numbers on that.

I imagine exact figures are quite variable since as close as I can tell, "naphtha" is a fairly random mixture of similar length hydrocarbons, each of which will have its own stats (plus your working temperature will vary based on climate/central air preferences, and solubility is heat dependent). Noman's tek asks for 1mL per gram bark per pull over 4 pulls, and he said in this thread that's definitely erring on the side of too much. So 4mL per 1g bark, and the high end of feasible seems to be bark giving up 1% by weight... so in theory 4mL naphtha should dissolve more than 0.01g DMT in the 20C range, but probably not much more than twice that.

I'm working with a 4 liter jug and I could use some help with the measurements. Because the bark will take up some of the volume and I need room for solvent but I want to fill it because if its too low sucking of the naphtha could be a problem (skinny neck) also is 10ml per gram of water enough for STB or should I go for 15ml of water per gram. Also it would seem that 1ml of naphtha per gram is over kill can I use half and ml per gram of naphtha repeated 4 times? Much thanks to you many helpful people

You can start at 10ml per and see how it works - at worst the solution will be thick and muddy and you'll need to add more. Just dont add any naptha to a thick solution or it will never separate. If that doesnt bring the level up to the neck of your bottle, add more water, it wont hurt anything. You can cut the naptha in half but you might need to do extra pulls. If your fourth pull has significant stuff preciping out, theres probably more alks to be had.

Swims first attempt... please help and leave the non beneficial "noob" comments to your self please! Swim knows he gets no love. (in short) *STB* Swim adds 200g NaOh to 3000ml distilled water in one gal glass jug- adds 200g mhrb outta blender (ie powdered) adds 200ml Naptha agitates thrice Decants into four small jars- places in freezer over night in the morning sees what appears to be "Snow globes" in only 2 of the four Swim thinks all is right in the world [img:1dc71eec03]http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p196/protagerus/attempt.jpg[/img:1dc71eec03] After a full 24 hours- goes to filter, notices the White is hard like a rock,(like a piece of coral) and has to be broken out with a spoon- Swim then filters and decides he will go get some dinner, the filter consisted of a coffee filter outstretched but forming a indention to hold material over a larger ball jar. upon swims return, he finds clear naptha in the lower Jar, and nothing in the filter, NADDA! ummm confused swim then places the filter back in the lower larger jar and then refreezes the whole thing, and is appealing to the wiser of this group. where did it go? Swim is wondering if he finds himself in this situation should he just evap out the naptha and not try the filter? Swim is still kinda confused. Also a concern which swim hasn't addressed and would like some info on is the wash in which he never reached- he has 30 perc. amoin. and has read in teks only 10 per. mentioned - should this be ok or be diluted down? This is putting the cart before the horse but thought a good chance to ask. please help- thanks upon thinking about it ... swim wonders if this is Frozen water in which DMT is trapped in?

You saved everything RIGHT? Pour all your solvent (and whatever else is in those jars) back into your bark solution, give it a shake or two occasionally for an hour, and separate it - carefully. Do another two pulls with 100ml of naptha each. Put it all in the freezer (way in back) and dont even look at it for 24 hours. You should end up with three jars of naptha with a good bit of DMT stuck to the sides and a few crystals floating around. First chance I get to edit that tek on Erowid Im gonna take out that snow globes line.

yes everything is saved, and will do- is there any danger to alowing it to sit for longer, you suggest an hour, or would it be to no effect? I noticed in the tek the third pull has sat for a day before decanted, would it be benefital in the future to alowe the first pull to sit in the bark solution longer? and thank you norman- P.S. i would kill for snow globes hahah jk