So my time will soon come, REALLY soon (I hope), when spice will help me get a grip on most views I have on life at the moment. Anyway, what is this advice/thoughts I am wanting you ask? Well, my mate (yes really, my mate) has already tried Spice off the guy selling it. My details are very limited at this time but, he sead he felt effects (not sure what types), but did not see much at all!.

Now when I spoke to him on the phone a few hours ago, he suggested to me to take 60mg... 60MG?! For him to tell me this, I am thinking he attempted to smoke the 30mg like he sead. He is very disappointed mind you, I don't blame him. I suggested two things might of happened, in the Email I sent him.


Now, my mate sead the guy selling it, also tried it, and did not vaporize it right. 30mg, he had a crap load left, from what my mate sead to me. He also did not see that much, but from what I am told he seen more then my mate. He sead the 2-CB was better, but DID admit to not vaporizing it properly.

So the top is what I want your thoughts on. I now want your advice on I should smoke 60mg? I weigh 76kg, I am not sure how tall I am, but I am not tall at all . I am not a skinny build mind you, but I am not a large build. Also, I don't have time just now to look for topics on how to properly vaporize spice with herb. I am going to sandwich the 60mg of spice between a mix of herbs. Using a Jet lighter, but unsure how close I should have the flame above the cone. Or how long I should be trying to vaporize the spice? Should I be taking/breathing in while burning the herbs? I am also using a water bong (its pretty nice too!). It's late so i ask these questions now.... Half lazy/half to tired

Now, I am thinking. If my mate DID smoke it wrong, and I DO smoke it right, I am in for the ride of my life. And if there if spice left from when dan used it, and IT also gets vaporized... I might be getting an extra 10mg or so...

I am hoping my mate will get back to me on this with the full details. And when he dose, I can give better insight for everyone to help me out. If he dose not get back to me, and he comes over on the day, I am just going to have to go with the advice given to me.

Use the leaf bed method (leaf/ash - spice - leaf/ash) in a bong.

30mgs won't break me through my front door.

I need between 45-65mgs for a breakthrough, we are all different though some need less, others need more.

Do we know what the spice looks like. It is a yellow puddly mess? If not, I doubt it has degraded enough to stop your friend from having a full experience.

remember that first hit determins how much of a breakthrough you have. The bigger the hit, and the longer it is held in will help ensure a breakthrough.

also...selling or buying dmt is a bad idea...

its much better to go through the process of extracting..but anyway

as acolon said use the bed method...and take the biggest hits you can...hold them in for 15 seconds..and then hit it again..until you cant hit it anymore...that will do you just fine...and just remember to smile..and dont worry if it feels like you stopped breathing..because you still are..it just seems like you arent

ye dude, extract it youself

such a nice feeling when em crystals start appearing

last thing you wanna do is spend money on wasted hits.

also this way u know what ur smoking

took me a good few doses to get the whole vaporising, inhaling thing.

This is so true. The first time I saw those crystals I nearly jumped for joy. It's an amazing feeling.

Plus you spend $40-50 on materials and end up with a couple of grams to play around with and get your smoking method down. Don't buy spice you have no idea how it was extracted, and what else is in there.

Indeed!

And it really is so easy, I almost felt guilty the first time!!
When I opened the freezer door the first time & I saw the crystals beginning to form, I too gave out a loud "ooh ya!!"!!

That first time, you really have no idea if there is anything "real" in those liquids, ya know.
When you see those crystals starting to form, it's like, "oh my god this actually works"!!
Then they continue forming & a pile beings to build up on the bottom of the jar & it's like, "oh my god, did I do this right? that's soooo much"!

Tell you the truth, I've lost count on how many times I've done extractions now, but I still get a little excited when I see those lil' beauties start showing up again!!!
Love that part, almost as much as using them!!


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Thanks for the advice guys! An yeah I do intend on extracting my own spice. I like to save my moneys! I will get back to you on how my mate did it. I might/might not have given him good advice. I did say to him not to burn the spice, to hold it in for 10 seconds. One of these two things will happen:

1. I will get back to you with details.

2. I will be making a topic in the experience area .

Acolon, thanks for the heads up on what degraded spice should look like. Also, how high above do most people hold the lighter above the cone (note I am using a JET LIGHTER)? And for how long? The guy selling sead he THOUGHT he vaporized the spice. And I have read how it might look like the spice is gone and vaporized, but its really not. Any tips and insight on this matter?

once the herb is burning it should vaporize the DMT without having to hold the lighter. Becareful with jet lighter it could blow everything out of the pipe bowl.

I would say hit it as slow as you can wait for the vapor to fill the water pipe and when the vapor compleatly fills the bong take another breath and hit it slow

hold as long as you can

then hit it again hold

hit it again you are on your way. make sure you have a place to recline and maybe have a blanket ready as dmt makes me feel cold sometimes and hot on others.

Good Luck

we will be wating to hear your story upon return

I don't feel extracting is a realistic option in Australia, and I'm as keen as Drake to experience spice.

For one thing, we can't mail order MHRB. So one is left to either go bush to look for suitable Acacia species and plundering their leaves and bark, and even then one would need the botanical knowledge to differentiate between the few good species from the hundreds of other kinds.

The other option is to buy it, which brings its own problems: quality, and the soundness of the extraction, not to mention the ethics of the maker.

Neither of those options appeal to me, so I'm probably going to take the third option of cultivating my own Acacia plants. The fruits of that harvest are a long way down the track though.

This is a point I left out. And the main point to why it is somewhat harder for Aussies. On a good note, you CAN buy the seeds on the net. I am even going to go to a nursery to buy some already grown plants. I don't think Acacia Obtusifolia are endangered, so a GOOD nursery should be able to order some plants in even.

Yes, and because of this, those who do know the location of certain Acacia species, are not likely to share their information.

I plan to obtain seeds and in perfect legality do my bit to bring this endangered species back from the brink.

Spice for the masses in Australia still remains a problem.

Just a small update on this matter. Sadly, Dan had to work all day Saturday, then all Saturday night. He was MEANT ot head on over to me place Sunday for the trip, but he was pretty "out of it" from work. So now hes comen over at a new date and time, but REALLY soon mind you.

I also asked him pretty fast on the phone, "How many mg did you have? Did you go for the 30mg?". He sead he did not remember that well, but he recons he had 40mg. And seeing almost no visuals, makes me wonder. At this point, I am thinking he did not smoke it right. He got me only 60mg, so I will be taking the 1st hit for dear life. Is it a good idea to blow all the air out my lungs, then take a massive hit, right?

yes take as much as you can and if any remains keep going. if you do three big hits and are not blow away something is wrong with the spice. if you have olny 60mg that is your olny hope you dont want to waste it.

So another update... I was able to ask Dan what color the Spice was, he sead white, kinda creamy white. So I don't think its the Spice. I think its just how he smoked it. The guy that's selling sead he seen some pretty crazy movement with some lights, and then found he did not vaporize most of the Spice. And I think he only had 30mg loaded.

I have made my mind up though. 60mg, go full on. Keep on taking deep hits until its all gone, or until I'M gone lol.

Also, I don't think I will be going on my trip for another week now... Dans gotten pretty sick, and I don't wanna risk getting sick! I feel like going in alone almost, I been waiting about year and a half now. But the other part of me says "Wait, do this when Dans there to look after you". Mainly cos I am going with the 60mg.

Sounds like a wise approach.