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Just Say Know
#1 Posted : 3/29/2015 3:30:05 PM

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would it be plausible to create a DMT-nexus made petition for legalizing DMT? i know there currently is already a petition out there.


it failed.

well; should we attempt another petition or a petition to legalize psychedelics for anyone who wants to use them who is above the age of 21 and follows psychedelic harm reduction? what would legalization of these substances (and regulation) even look like?

i like the idea of petitioning but i know it's not always easy. especially if it scares people. the reason why i bring this up is becuase many individuals have a great way of communicating and i think they could write a petition that would be able to at least bring rescheduling to attention. these substances SHOULD NOT be in schedule 1 at the very least. so would it make more sense to create a petition to reschedule psychedelics? it could be a start for research, decriminalization, and making the playing field more fair for users.

i mean; we just had someone get arrested over in Ohio. so wouldn't this make sense? what's the nexus's thoughts on this?

P.S. i also think educating people about psychedelics and working with organizations that promote policy reform is the next best step. but i still think this idea is open for debate and is plausible.
 

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#2 Posted : 3/29/2015 3:48:18 PM

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Considering cannabis has a long way to go before it sees mainstream acceptance, I think legalisation of extremely powerful psychedelics is a long way off. Note that in the US getting as far as it has, the cannabis lobby has invested massive amounts of time and money to the cause. There are many more cannabis users than psychedelics users which makes it an important and economically logical step to take, I don’t think this can be said of psychedelics. Joe public is not ready for a step like this, especially not with a substance that next-to-nobody has heard of. Those that have heard of it are largely misinformed. To top all this off, we can note that the experience sounds like it has a lot in common with psychosis. The world is not ready for such a step now, and I can’t see it any time soon.
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#3 Posted : 3/29/2015 3:52:39 PM

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you make a good point d*i*b. i think the next best thing would be to educate the public on the truth about psychedelics and going about this with policy reform organizations that can help you with your campaign to educate.

also the debate for total legalization of all drugs is a hot topic now these days. with organizations like LEAP and SSDP growing evermore i could see this happening; just my opinion though.
 
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#4 Posted : 3/29/2015 3:57:39 PM

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Another thing to pay attention to is that the US is just one country. In the case of cannabis, we have seen a gradual change in opinions at an international level over the course of decades. There is no such change in opinions happening with psychedelics. I would go as far as to say that they are something close to an irrelevancy to most in control of legislation at this time, they are not something that attracts much popular attention.
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#5 Posted : 3/29/2015 4:00:00 PM

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mainly i wanted to facilitate debate about this as a general topic; but i think what you're getting at is pretty sound.

also i removed the hyperlink to the campaign petition so that i wasn't violating the "no posting campaign material without our permission" rule.
 
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#6 Posted : 3/29/2015 6:09:20 PM

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d*l*b wrote:
Another thing to pay attention to is that the US is just one country. In the case of cannabis, we have seen a gradual change in opinions at an international level over the course of decades. There is no such change in opinions happening with psychedelics. I would go as far as to say that they are something close to an irrelevancy to most in control of legislation at this time, they are not something that attracts much popular attention.


Well put.

Good lord no, we aren't ready to push for 'legalization- of something like DMT. First, we must create and enter a discourse in public, being respectful, and respectable representatives.

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#7 Posted : 3/29/2015 6:20:51 PM

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Another thing to look at is the attention by legislation a petition may bring.

Dmt is increasing in popularity. But is still relatively unknown to a large portion of the population.
Is drawing attention to dmt by legislators & representatives who are more likely to demonize & look at it like a dangerous & extremely potent substance a smart move?

Maybe in a society where psychedellics were regarded differently & not looked at like they are destructive & evil drugs with no medical benefit, this could work.

 
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#8 Posted : 3/29/2015 6:34:35 PM


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Just Say Know wrote:
i think the next best thing would be to educate the public on the truth about psychedelics and going about this with policy reform organizations that can help you with your campaign to educate.

Before going on a 'campaign to educate' you should first consider taking the lessons yourself.

Your eagerness to spread DMT to the Masses is admirable but ultimately foolish (especially from someone who has not experienced DMT). There are some things worth sharing with others while there are other things worth keeping private. DMT, to me, is one of those private things.
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a1pha wrote:
Just Say Know wrote:
i think the next best thing would be to educate the public on the truth about psychedelics and going about this with policy reform organizations that can help you with your campaign to educate.

Before going on a 'campaign to educate' you should first consider taking the lessons yourself.

Your eagerness to spread DMT to the Masses is admirable but ultimately foolish (especially from someone who has not experienced DMT). There are some things worth sharing with others while there are other things worth keeping private. DMT, to me, is one of those private things.

 
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#10 Posted : 3/29/2015 7:50:32 PM

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i'm willing to take the time to learn though. and i understand that you have to be really careful about what you say in regards to education. i find that i know enough about DMT to have a debate about it's safety but i don't know enough to tell a person what the experience is like (which in all honesty no one can do that fullproof). but i just wanted to see what other nexians thought. also in regards to education i think general psychedelic education would be better than DMT-specific education. i understand what generally psychedelics are, their safety, risks, medical uses, and such enough to intellectually educate and debate psychedelics with most people; excluding the excessively ignorant.
 
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#11 Posted : 3/30/2015 1:05:20 AM

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a1pha wrote:
There are some things worth sharing with others while there are other things worth keeping private. DMT, to me, is one of those private things.


This is exactly how I feel. The DMT experience is so personal it transcends government policies and public opinion. Those who are interested will educate themselves and, if drawn towards it enough, will find a way to aqcuire it. Whether or not some suit in Washington says I'm "allowed" to do it in the comfort of my own home makes no difference to me. And whether or not DMT is something other people accept as being OK to do makes no difference. If you aren't careless, the chances of getting in legal trouble are probably on par with winning the lottery.

Conversely, I'm actually more worried about it's growing popularity. In the last few years I've started seeing news reports casting it in a bad light, comparing it to crack or the extractions to making methamphetamines. I think people publicly advocating for it's legality may just bring more unwanted attention. It's not something our culture is ready for yet. Which is a shame.
 
 
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