http://denver.cbslocal.c...amed-for-keystone-death/

I am sad to hear of another young adult killing themselves after ingesting too much oral cannabis. This is what happens when you go to try something new without knowing how it actually works or effects people.

I think harm reduction is something that is over looked when it comes to marijuana. It is a wonderful plant that has great medical usage, and even recreational, but I feel because of the relaxed attitude towards it people tend to over look just how powerful a strong dose of marijuana can be. Shops shouldn't just place these warnings on the packages, they should inform the customers at the time of purchase as to how many doses they are buying and how long it may take to feel effects.

It may seem like more unneeded work done by the employees, but let's face it, most people don't read labels on products like that.

To be fair he should have read the warning label, though that does not make the situation any less tragic. Also, 50mg of THC (the amount he supposedly ate) is the amount in a typical dab, and how many people kill themselves after their first dab? I'd be shocked if he didn't have some serious mental health issues or depression, whether it went reported or not.

Yeah right, good ole US of A. Let's blame hash cookies instead of guns, because guns don't kill people, cannabis candies do.

Not to mention that people never ever ever shoot themselves (or others) after consuming alcohol, doctor-prescribed medications or self-prescribed "recreational nose medicine".

Oh boy. Here it comes.

Whether he had some underlying issue or not (my guess is he did), this is probably going to be trumpeted by anti-legalization types for months to come.

Rest in peace, poor guy.
~ND

oral cannabis can definetly be a tough cookie

especially if people forget to read warning labels , and pay attention

also entheogens and guns do no mix and when they do , its usually like this

edit : perhaps cannabis should only be smoked ,

This is exactly what I think was the cause not the actual drug. IMO this is parents doing not drugs.

That's too bad. I don't like cannabis because it makes me feel like crap emotionally (amongst other things). Maybe too much with too little tolerance had to do with it, vs mental health. I can't be the only one here that gets consistent negative vibes from this particular drug.

Its very true that people underestimate the effect of eating cannabis. The advantage of smoking of course is that it is pretty much instant and you stop when you've had too much. Obviously when you eat it you consume an unknown quantity and the effects are totally unknown.

I'm not one for restricting people's free choice, however it may be sensible in the case of cannabis related foodstuffs to have some sort of maximum purchase allowance. They do it over here in UK for paracetemol in terms of amount allowed to buy. If someone is hell bent on getting totally smashed they will just return to the shop the next day of course, but it may reduce the impulsive peer pressure situations teenagers typically find themselves in.

"No, MY son did not have any emotional problems! I would have noticed as a parent! I would have done something! My son was an ANGEL""

Ps I made the assumption that these were bought in a state where it is legal to sell them, if not then there's not a lot can be done if someone makes them themselves.

You are correct in your assumption, they were in Colorado. However, CO has very sensible laws of cannabis edibles regarding dosage, labeling, and age restrictions. It really is completely the man's own fault, and likely a successful suicide attempt. His family's reaction is pretty typical too, cause no one wants to admit "my son was suicidal but I didn't notice, so he ate a bunch of drugs and killed himself." Still, any death is tragic.

I think suggesting it was a successful suicide attempt (in that he had planned to commit suicide prior to becoming intoxicated) might be taking it a step too far, certainly not without more information.

People have been known to self-harm during terrible psychedelic experiences. It may be that this guy was extra-sensitive, or had some kind of latent psychotic disorder. Let's reserve judgement.

Blessings
~ND

Your right, Natt, this will be used in pro-prohibition propaganda in all liklihood.

Far more than a problem with the supply or distribution of cannabis edibles, I see in this story issues of parenting, the shortcomings of the American mental health system, and firearm safety.

You're right, that may be going too far. It's just as likely, I suppose, that he thought the only way to end the experience was by ending his own life. Still, it leaves a suspicious taste in my mouth that I am all too familiar with. But, we do not know with even remote certainty, so it is therefore pointless to speculate until more evidence is available. Thank you for catching my lack of perspective, I shall take more care not to repeat my mistake.

Couldn't agree more

Now, first off I'm terribly sorry this tragedy has befallen the family. However I have some serious god damned rage going on right now at them as well.

He was incoherent, acing as if something else was speaking through him, didn't demonstrate a cognizant understanding of his surroundings or people around him.

All of that AND THEY STILL LEFT HIM ALONE.
Let that sink in. These people were fully aware that their friend/son was behaving in a completely unnatural manner, displaying signs of outright psychosis... And they left him alone. I want to know where they went? Ice cream? to get some beer? Dinner? What was so god damn important that they left someone in a psychotic episode alone?

This is what struck me the most as well. If I was unaware about the workings of THC and would see somebody behaving like he did then I would have taken him to the ER, just in case.

Then again, my next thought was: "this is in the news and did I ever see a well written objective news article that was based on solid information and research?"

And unfortunately the answer to that question is no, we all know how 'well written' those articles about "DMT drugs labs" are. Lies and bad research is what makes for juicy headlines that serve as click-bait to get a better advertisement income.

So in this case too I think we do not know the whole story, and because of that we are unable to make any solid judgement about it.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

THC or not is besides the point in my (ever so livid) opinion. I am at a loss to even begin to plumb the depths of what must have been going through their heads when they decided to leave him alone.

We can whittle away everything that news story has presented down to the only two pertinent facts.
* Son is displaying psychotic symptoms.
* Family/Friends leave him alone.

If you've ben around long enough you've seen enough local news reports of teenagers or individuals committing suicide, and we all know how it goes "He never displayed any signs of depression, or this or that."

BULL. LYING. LIES. Your son was displaying psychotic symptoms minutes before he blew his head off and you STILL left him alone. He was incoherent, acting strangely and speaking weird and none of that "would leave them being concerned"?

I've definitely taken it over the line on several occasions with cannabis edibles. It can get pretty freakin' terrible beyond a certain point. So all the speculation aside, I can somewhat empathize with this poor guy.

Another senseless death.

I also found the mother's response odd.

Even if I legitimately and sincerely felt as though I had seen no signs of depression, I couldn't/wouldn't be able to rule it out so completely and so certainly.

I would probably come to the conclusion that he was depressed and was really good at hiding it; hiding being a severe stressor in itself.

People who do crazy things on drugs like MJ are predisposed for it, pure and simple.