Hi, its been a long time since ive partaken in dmt but im finally getting back into the scene. I am intending to make a variety of changa blends and i was wondering whether it would be possible to incorporate 5 meo into the blends or whether the vaporising points makes this wasteful? Also if anybody has tried a blend with 5 meo, what sort of ratio of nn to 5-meo would be ideal? Edit:-) this woould be a an enhanced leaf as i am aware of the contradictions of harmala and 5 MeO DMT
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I don't have any experience with this, but 5-meo-dmt is listed as a possible additive in the leaf enhancement wiki so it should be possible:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Leaf_Enhancement

Funny, I was thinking about making 5-meo-dmt enhanced leaf, do you have any experience with that (on its own, so without dmt)?

I used passiflora leaf, and infused it with synthetic 5-MeO-DMT. 9mg of the mix contains 2mg of 5-MeO-DMT.

Nope, never tried 5 meo enhannced leaf. I assume it would work the same way as traditional enhanced leaf with nn DMT. What i am intrigued in trying is an enhanced leaf witth both nn and 5-meo in the mix. However, i am at a complete loss at where to start with the ratios... has anyone had much experimentation with combining 5-meo and nn-dmt?

Never tried it but 5-meo being more potent than dmt may be an advantage.

Very small ammounts could be used to synergize with the spice & to potentiate while not having to inhale as much vapor/smoke.

Pay attention to trip reports & information about this combination posted online very closely. 5-meo is less visual & can quickly drop one into a void. I'm not exactly sure if the 5-meo being so potent will cause it to be dominant & muffle the visual aspect of the dmt but it is something to be aware of. Then again, with a deep mental trip like 5-meo the visuals may not be particularly important.

I haven't been able to find many reports of this combination online, but i would assume that the 5-MeO-DMT would overpower the nn unless only a very small amount was added. This is only conjecture however, it is quite possible that the two molecules may present a synergistic effect.

My current thought is to create an enhanced leaf blend 1:1 nn-dmt, and add the 5 meo in small incriments like trial runs and see if i reach any interesting synergistic effects.

Basically ive been curious of the potential of this combo fot a whilr now and an enhanced leaf combo sounds like it has potential for a very powerful psychedelic experience.

BTW recomendations for carrier herbs are welcome. So far ive only ever used mullien.

Personally, I think the combo is just great if the 5-MeO takes the backseat to color the NN-DMT trip in ratios varying between 1:4 or 1:5 (or even higher, depending on how you react to 5-MeO.)

Essentially, 5-MeO at these low doses acts like an empathogen, and makes the DMT experience more physical / euphoric, and (if there's a sweet spot of 5-MeO-DMT blended to really stoke the synergistic flames) can provide a very crystalline perfectness to the clutter/ of DMT hyperspace. Makes the "zany" just a bit more "zen".

Tread carefully however...I'm seriously talking about 3-5 mg's (from either compound,) completely changing the characteristics of the trip. Even less I'll bet.

Unfortunately, I must admit my NN ratios are a bit guesstimated, as I'm using a charged liquid pad - so any fresh material I go through still has whatever is in the pad to work with once it's been freebased. Please take this into consideration as well, that my NN-DMT ratios are high if anything (definitely not short.).

For that reason alone, I might have to make myself a 5-MeO leaf blend (perhaps even just one or two big release doses, no NN-DMT,) because although I've never re-enacted the Exorcist under 5-MeO, I can see the potential lingering in the methoxy high. If the sailor's of yore had sirens - I think 5-MeO has the potential to be our psychedelic siren. ("So beautiful, I just want to hear her song a little closer...CRAAASSHHH!!!!"