...I build a very good looking machine, with the molecule image on the bottle and all the things...i try today with 5 mg.
I'm new and decide to start from 5 mg and go up very slowly, good for learn how to do, before i had many try but i burned or other failure.... the only things that give me some effect (not visual) was a joint, i take some tobacco to clean the container with the spice so i made a machine.

So i loaded my machine and start to vaporize, take my tokes...and nothing, only a mild effect that can be placebo...so i get up and my machine fall on the floor in many pieces....shit !!! when i start clean the floor i feel very strange and mild high, like a mushroom trip when start....this are normal effect at 5 mg ? or should be more ? i would like to know because i need to go very slow with this thing but i also would like to know if my extract is good or not at all.

I can try 10 or 15 mg to see if it's active but, i don't want to do now, also if it not a breakout and for sure i can try but i feel that i have first to learn how to vaporize before.

My extract it's from acrb and i get a goo light yellow and have a smell like mothballs but more like between a mothballs and flowers...

So for you, what are the effect that you feel and said it's active at low dosage ?
I read the post on the purity of spice and effects and so on...but i would like to know you feelings.

Thanks, and sorry, my are little annoing questions, i'm beginner in this and no people around that can help me, my english is not my mother language and also i use tor for see and write on this forum...so i don't like to stay hours to search and find by myself, i do sometimes, but i like to speak than search.

have good things.

I wouldn't expect 5 mg to give you much more than a light tryptamine buzz. I would recommend trying 10 to 15mg next time. That's still lower than a breakthrough dose but the effects should be more apparent.

I've never done as low as 5 mg myself, but I would guess that if you got a buzz from it then your product is probably fine and your vap technique can't be too bad. Just be careful to not burn the DMT when you're vaping it.

ok, sorry but, what did you mean with a "buzz" with spice ? because i'm not sure if i feel it, is something i feel very fast ? in about seconds or minutes ? is something that i reconize immediatly, with no experience about it ?

Yes maybe i can try more, but, maybe, when i build a new machine i continue with 8 mg...slowly :-)

Basically just a strange mild high like you mentioned. No visuals or psychedelic effects really, but it feels different than being sober. It's hard for me to describe well, sorry.

Working your doses up slow like you are is probably best if you have hesitations about taking it. From my experience the effects increase exponentially with dosage, so keep that in mind too.

As LysergicBliss said, effects grow exponentially and if I understood your first post correctly you have no experience with psychedelics at all. 15mg is perfect for a sub-breakthrough test drive dose but it can still overwhelm you if you have no previous experience at all with psychedelics. Don't worry, I am not trying to scare you, just do things properly, at the right time, place and state of mind.

Thanks,
I have experience with psychedelics, but not dmt, mushrooms, lsa, lsd, dxm, salvia...not too large doses, but it's many years that i stopped using them and recently start again many years later in a different way and in the case of dmt i have more inibition/fear/respect (??) to start with a full dose, so i want to grow till sub-breakout and then i can decide if go or not, i want to learn slowly.

I also read that the dosage can grow up but from a non breakout and a real one there are very big difference is not like other psychedelic.

So it is possible thet what i feel is not placebo, ok i'll see the next time when it's ready a new machine :-)

Just a quick comment on whether the effect was placebo or not, in my limited experience of smoking dmt, the effect comes on in seconds - in 15 seconds it hits you, in 30 it's consumed you. This seemed to be the case even when I smoked 7 mg, although obviously the effects were massively less than with a 25 mg dose. You don't have a chance to stop and do anything before it comes on.

Don't apologize, no one here is annoyed.

Please keep in mind that using a GVG will give stronger results at lower doses. I do not have a GVG.

I'd say active at 8-10 mgs, at a dose that low the effects should be similar to a low level meditation. Which I consider a flow of thoughts the you can express and interpret. A place in your mind that is still and calm.

At 15 mgs you might expect the same flow of thoughts along with CEV's. Moving up from there should bring you past the threshold effects and into a more deeper experience, bringing you past the body high. You'll experience a mental clarity and a state of mind that seems familiar, you'll say to yourself that you've been here before, you'll be lost in fascination before you know it. Once you have a handle on what's happening, the experience and all the thoughts will gradually dissolve away slowly, similar to waking up after a good nights sleep.

Create the perfect environment before you try it again, having glass break and trying to deal with external stimuli will degrade the experience. Focus, focus, focus. At low doses sometimes you need to search for the feeling and allow it to identify itself.

Give it the attention that it needs and it will give you an incredible journey.

^^ This is a good post.

Thanks,

Just.Ask.The.Axis: so the feeling at low dose (8-10 mg) it's more internal, meditative with no visual or strange things ? i feel something, so can be like what you said, the thing i say it's a mild tryptammine feel, it's very difficult to explain the mild effect, more than the big one :-)

Ok, i go for a 8mg the next with my new machine and start another extraction.

And yes, my was a stupid error, after the hits i stay a little but then i realize that nothing happened and got up, the bottle fall and i feel this mild effect, and i also say to myself: "stupid, you try to get something from her and made this mistake !!" i learned, yes, find a more good envoiroment and made a sort of ritual it's more good, like start to see a good movie, with all the things that you like near you and watch it without disctration or a more spiritual thing....next time i'll do some tai chi kung that it's all i know about meditation.

Thanks,

Just.Ask.The.Axis: so the feeling at low dose (8-10 mg) it's more internal, meditative with no visual or strange things ? i feel something, so can be like what you said, the thing i say it's a mild tryptammine feel, it's very difficult to explain the mild effect, more than the big one :-)

Ok, i go for a 8mg the next with my new machine and start another extraction.

And yes, my was a stupid error, after the hits i stay a little but then i realize that nothing happened and got up, the bottle fall and i feel this mild effect, and i also say to myself: "stupid, you try to get something from her and made this mistake !!" i learned, yes, find a more good envoiroment and made a sort of ritual it's more good, like start to see a good movie, with all the things that you like near you and watch it without disctration or a more spiritual thing....next time i'll do some tai chi kung that it's all i know about meditation.

5 mg? I get nothing from such dose. 10 mg is a threshold for me, just to get a mild body buzz, and slight drunk like feeling.

Yes, it's a very low dose, but i want to start slow and go up, i'm not in hurry and made all alone, no sitter, so i don't kno yet what is my treshold and with something like spice i need to know a little bit at time, then if i like it try the rest. :-)

A drunk feeling can be what i get but very mild and more like mushroom, i don't know.

And sorry but what is like a "bodyload" ? form me it's difficult to translate.

Bodyload is when you feel the effects physically. Sometimes like a heavy weight in your skin that increases with dosage.

Starting low is smart. For me 5mg feels slightly uncomfortable. Some restlessness and apparent psychedelic thoughts. This is with a gvg which is fairly efficient compared to the machine so your experience will be slightly different. IMO I think you should work more around the 10-14mg range now. Just lay there comfortably and observe the effects. You may experience slight visual distortion, Bodyload, psychedelic thoughts, ect.

15mg is my goto dose when I'm not feeling very confident about the larger doses.

thanks,
I'm starting low and increase, i want to keep a diary, and i do, rising dosage in little step and write down.

I would like to treat my cluster headache with dmt, trying to abort attack when came, if works (i hope), not now but near october i get my pain for sure, i have two mounth a year of very very painful attacks (if you don't know what is cluster headache please do a little search), so i need to know all the dosage and effects, then i can try it more preparated.

Off course this is not the only thing, for years i dreamed to go in the hyperspace, for other many reason, but my cluster headache is the horrible thing that give me the force to do it and not only dream and read about it :-) like a calling :-)

Have you looked into trying mushrooms to alleviate cluster headaches? There's quite a bit of info online showing success. I was able to get rid of a migraine headache by taking 500mg of cubensis.

Yes i try once, it's another way, but first i would like to try the spice, with mushroom i need more time and i think it's more safer/less toxic dmt for the body and the liver.

I read that need a treshold dose of dmt to abort an attack...mushroom can atc like a cure and taking them regolary in the year can get rid of the cluster, also LSA it's similar, but, since this substance are illegal it's quite difficult to say if work and what dose and method.

But, i like all this substance so i decide to try them all, one at time, i don't know if a use of dmt with breakouts dose in the year can act like lsa or mushroom, if it work i prefer dmt, i think, yes, i have to try my first breakout...maybe is not for me. :-)

Sorry for the late reply xa..




... Yes it is more internal for me. Similar to a comforting hug from someone you love. You become at peace with yourself and your surroundings. Make sure your in a chill mood before you begin and its more noticeable.



I agree, it is more difficult to explain compared to the breakthrough. But IME it is more beneficial than a breakthrough.



Moving up 3 mgs may not give you better results. Instead of going to 8 mgs, try 10 mgs. Take it in one breath. Take will make a big impact.

Loosen up a little bit, I know it's hard to do. And make some enhanced leaf. https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=3539

Breakthrough : a sudden increase in knowledge, understanding, etc. : an important discovery that happens after trying for a long time to understand or explain something.

Breakout : an escape, often with the use of force, as from a prison or mental institution.

yes, languages....but it's quite good that we understand each to other also with few words and mistakes

Probably the next time i try the 10mg, but my ability to vaporize is not so good and my first extraction from acrb that give me a goo it's near to be finished in errors and practice...i started another and maybe with some crystal, i like the goo but it's very difficult to manage for me, i have problem weight it and it's like honey, i scale a dose and some goo left on the little thing that i use to pick up from the container....wow it's difficult for me.

Maybe with the rest of extraction i can made an enchanted leaf...but if i don't know exactly how much active is there, and no want to loose anything, i suppose to redissolve in another container that i previusly weight, evaporate and weight again, then made the enchanted leaf....or there are other smart way ?

I've experimented a _lot_ in the 5-15mg range. With a GVG.

My conclusions so far is:

5mg - The one I done the most. Gives this "buzz" as you say. Never any visuals. Always safe. Can give some mild euphoria and relaxation. The feeling afterwards is sometimes as you have had a deep meditation for 15 minutes. Some temporary color hue changes in visual field is pretty common. Speaking can be difficult directly afterwards.

10mg - Visuals kick in. Perception of time changes. Euphoria is not as commonly present. When eyes are closed, a lot of visuals is seen. Some feeling of dying. The body can feel heavy and deflated. If eyes are closed during the trip, when opened I usually have completely forgotten what I was doing and realized "oh right.. I smoked DMT...". A "telepathic messages" or two are received sometimes, usually in the form of concepts - not words.

15mg - Can be intensive. I did this about two weeks ago and felt the presence doing the telepathy stretching for my pineal gland! This plus everything in 10mg but stronger.

For GVGs, the breakthrough dose is apparently a bit above 25mg with good technique. So don't kid yourself that you are only taking a fifth of the breakthrough dose when loading 10mg for instance.