Hey peeps

Rather than buying small tins of lighter fluid, will this do?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...&ff14=108&ff19=0

Kate
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Read the msds. If it's only light aliphatic naphtha or hydrotreated light aliphatic naphtha it is fine.

I'd still do an evap test on a thouroughly cleaned pyrex dish as well.

I'd be weary about the fact it comes in a plastic jug as well. Naphtha can leach plasticizers from the plastic container.

Ok this is me showing my naivety and general newbieness, what is "light aliphatic naphtha" and "hydrotreated light aliphatic naphtha"?

What is an eval test, is that literally pouring some in to a dish and seeing how quickly it evaporates or am i looking for a residue, if leaves a residue no good?

Kate
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"light aliphatic naphtha" or "hydrotreated (or hydrodesulfurised or similar) light aliphatic naphtha" is what it should say on the MSDS. Basically that means it's essentially kerosene or paraffin, petroleum distillate with a certain boiling range. It should be very low in aromatic hydrocarbons such as benzene, toluene, xylenes, ethylbenzene, mesitylene etc., which should also be mentioned on a decent MSDS if they are present.

An evap(oration) test is to ensure that it leaves no oily residue.

True too about the plasticizers thing. (These would be oily.)

Looks like you'd have to contact them directly for the MSDS.

Awesome - thanks Honey, will give them a shout and report back

Kate
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As an alternative you could also look for liquid white gas such as Coleman fuel (not propane) In the US. It may have a different name in Europe. ) which is meant for camping stoves and lanterns. Use all of the above mentioned precautions to evaluate it for safety.

You should find Coleman fuel in Go Outdoors. Its clean light naphtha. I used it. But do the evap test just in case anything changed since then.

Try "Hexane" as an alternative.

you will not find Hexane in UK

Seems really spendy to me. I buy quarts of VM&P ( varnish makers and painter's) naps in the paint supply aisle of my local big store for $7, which is what, like 4£? Have you checked for that, is it available in the UK, idk.

I'd advise Coleman fuel as a last resort, it may contain anti-rusting agent.

Try any dearomatized and hydrogented, hydrogen treated or hydrodesulfurized petroleum distillate sold for the purpose of paint dilution, paint cleaner (hardware store) or preferably stain remover (supermarket). The underscored part is the most important part to look for.

Here is an example, cleaning solvent: http://www.selchemie.com/Wasbenzine.aspx?GB-1-15-3-138. This is what you want.

In that product line, there is also a "white spirit", it works too but it has a higher boiling point and takes longer to evaporate.

You can buy low quality Hexane on eblay or you can surf around for better quality versions.
Some places require you have a business address.
I only use hexane and I live in the UK.

Someone I once knew had enormous success with Wilkinsons barbecue lighting fluid (not the alcohol gel!). But it's heavier and evaporates slowly.

I'm wary of hexane because of its neurotoxicity.

Art supply shops also sell artists' white spirit which is reasonably volatile and is a low odour formulation. The bottles tend to be tiny (250mL) and thus it comes out a tad expensive.

If you search around even a little bit you'll find a hydrocarbon to do the job. Food grade paraffin wax is even worth looking into... but that's maybe going a bit far?

Think about what you just said. Correlate that with the fact that it's slowly disappearing off store shelves because it's being associated with drug manufacture. Consider 'red devil lye'.

The connection between certain products and the critical role they play in illicit drug manufacture is prominent. It's not because of the news, it's not because of 'the man'; no, it's because of all the public internet forums instructing people to buy specific products because they do such a great job making drugs.

I've no idea why it's even allowed on the nexus. (Of all places..)

"Fact", "because"? Can you back that up with referenced proof? Otherwise you are only scaremongering.


Public internet forums make neither laws nor product marketing strategies. There is no substance to your suggestion.



Well, it is allowed on the nexus anyway. Quoting from the Attitude Page: "Discussing sources for chemicals/labware/etc is still allowed." The "chemicals" obviously excluding dangerous reagents that have no place in the kitchen.

Solvents are not only useful to kitchen extractions, they have many more common uses. The situation with lye is not comparable, because lye is still available, but in some places only with added aluminium and sodium nitrate. The new formulation is actually better suited for the single commonly stated use of that lye product, a drain unblocker. With solvents, there are many common uses and many of those require the solvent to be reasonably pure and unadulterated.

Google exactly what's inside the quotation marks:

"vm&p naptha"

Am I still scare mongering?

I don't see the problem with that, whatever you are trying to suggest there.

Can you please instead address my arguments that I made earlier? Thanks.

Can't argue with that.