Dose - 10~12 mg over 2 hits/peaks.

Had an opportunity this afternoon to wet my toes a wee bit.

I have dabbled with many psychedelics, LSD, LSA, psylocybin, 4-aco-dmt, and some 2c-* compounds, but have never had the opportunity to learn DMT's ways, until now.

Also worth noting, I have always considered myself to be pretty sensitive to psychedelics.



I had the house to myself on my lunch break today. I had pre-loaded my new GVG a couple days prior with 10 mg +/- 2mg, and have been waiting for the right time to give it a try.

I sat down comfortably, not entirely sure if I was going to go ahead and do it, or put it down for another time, but content with either path.

GVG in hand, I proceeded to do a little light meditation/centering, but within very short order, it just felt right, I didn't hesitate and fired it up.


My intention was to clear out the 10mg~12mg in one draw, and see where that took me.

What actually happened though, was probably 35% of the dose in one go, 55% of it in a second go after the first peaked and returned, and 10% on a third round to make sure it was cleared.



I took my initial pull, saw the GVG fill with vapor, and then kind of decline a good bit. I assumed the 10mg would go up pretty quick, and that I had probably got most of it then and there, so I set it down and let it happen.

I could feel some kind of familiar tryptamine type body and mind effects, almost as soon as the vapor was produced. I held it in as long as I could, well over 20 seconds, and exhaled through my nose.

I mostly had my eyes closed during the experience, but did open them here and there.

Opened I noticed some minor color saturation changes, and slight motion in patterns.

Closed eyes, the usual background imagery I have behind closed eyes during meditation was there, but it seemed as I was slightly more able to kind of analyze that fleeting imagery, or that it was a little bit more defined.

All of this was very familiar, though there was one second, while I was holding it in, that behind closed eyes I saw a very highly defined static, like the black and white snow on an analog tv set on a dead channel. I have not seen anything like that before, but it was only there for the briefest of moments.

Physically I felt the mostly pleasant sensations of a psylocybin / 4-aco-dmt journey.

Mentally pretty much the same as above.

After the first hit had peaked and mostly subsided (5~10 mins), I wanted to make sure there was none left in the GVG, so I gave it another go, not expecting much.

The second hit actually hit me harder than the first, not by much, but noticeably so. It felt once again, very comfortable and very familiar. The same effects as the first were present, as well as little bit of a numbing feeling in my face that I didn't notice on the first hit.

After that subsided, I hit it a third time to make SURE it was empty, this time I felt only a very light rush and that was that.

I seemed to have a mood lift in general the rest of the day.

All in all it felt like I had been instantly dropped into the peak of a very light and manageable mushroom / 4-aco-dmt trip, and then just as quickly plucked out of that light peak, and dropped into the nice afterglow of that same type of journey.


I am looking forward to my next journey, which will be the same dose, but I should be able to pull it all in on the first go this time, as I now have a better idea of how long it will take to get it all.



Two words that sum up this level of experience for me are therapeutic and meditative.


Thanks for reading!

Nice, it's good to see you decided to start off with a low dose to get your feet wet. But a breakthrough dose is a whole other story, if that's what you're shooting for. Nice first trip report.

Thanks for the reply!


This level of experience was actually pretty close to what I was aiming for, as a nice comfortable introduction to a new chemical, especially one with a quite different time-scale of effects then I am used to.

I am in no rush to "breakthrough", though I am sure I will reach it sooner rather then later

I have found much to enjoy about, and benefit from, very light, even threshold doses of other psychedelics, and so far this seems no different, which makes me very excited, especially with the very manageable time-frame of the main effects.

This dose level, of probably about 5mg at a time, I could see being very useful as a meditation aid for me.

Yes them dose levels are perfect for meditation, ya don't be in any hurry to break through you'll get there when the time is right.

I have actually been interested in dosing at this level, usually i breakthrough or take to little and only get the body rush. Thanks for the report!

Glad you found it useful thugware!

I think a nice night of deep contemplation could be had with a light dose (6-8mg) of 4-aco-dmt or an equivalent psylocybin dose, combined with periodic 5mg puffs of DMT as desired.


mmmmmm that sounds loverly

This is the best way to approach DMT. Very wise decision. Take your time.

When I started with DMT I did not have .000 scale and that sometime resulted in very strong and uncomfortable experience. You do not want that at the beginning. Later even bad trips may come but you will be better prepared for it.

Thank you for your report.

Thanks smokerx!

It's funny, I bought this .000 scale over three years ago, and used it a grand total of twice in three years.

Now it is seeing lots of use, very glad I have it!

I could see how attempting to eyeball it could lead to some very wide variances in dose without realizing it!

In the after glow of another 10mg test flight now.

I still didn't quite get all 10 mg in one go, but it was much closer.

Annnnd yea, I think I will stick at 10mg for a few more runs

Not much to say about the experience yet, but was mostly same as previous, but much more intensity.

Much physical sensations, (like an expansion of my body seeming to head twards not having a body type of feeling) leading to some sweating momentarily, familiar in the sense that I frequently experience similar situations on other psyches during intense moments.


I am quite curious just how much dmt is condensing and sticking to the glass right under the bowl, as even after only one single 10mg session, I can easily see a decent sized patch of fine crystals forming right in that area.

It certainly isn't "drippage", and is quite clearly a product of the vapor coming straight down and hitting the glass right there as it turns 90 degrees.


FYI I am using a small disk of chore-boy on top the stock screen, which shows no evidence of any dmt directly contacting it.

I have had a couple more 10~12 mg sessions, and have found them to be very comfortable, therapeutic, and all around blissful.

The effects have not widely changed beyond my initial report, but I have a couple things to note.

Last couple sessions, I had some music playing softly in the background, it seemed to make the whole experience more grounded and comforting.

My last one, I experimented with a chore boy disk in my "VaporTower" electric desktop vaporizer. Wowza, that hit like a train! I believe it just barely started burning/caramelizing, when I realized it was even working, which lead to a very large dense hit that was slightly more pungent in taste, and a little more irritating on the throat. Next time I will dial the heat down quite a bit.

On this session, I kept my eyes open, and mostly locked on a floral patterned area rug. I had a very entertaining amount of motion in my vision, the flowers on the rug were kind of rotating and bobbing, while the contents of the table also in my vision were also moving around pretty significantly.

At this very comfortable and blissful level, it seems like such a useful and beneficial thing to be incorporating into my life right now, even if at this level it is little more then a quick 10 min "moment of zen" so to speak.

Thanks for the reports!
may i suggest adding harmalas to your experiences

Thanks boogerz!

I have yet to play around with harmalas, or really any RIMA/MAOI, either alone or with other psychoactive's.

I do have an ounce of Peganum Harmala seeds, that I bought primarily to do some planting from.

I will have to look into the process for extracting or otherwise utilizing them, which has been in the back of my mind for a bit now.

Still meandering around at the 10 mg level, not feeling compelled to take it further yet.

I am getting as familiar as I can with 10 mg, using it in different settings, with or without music, eyes opened vs closed, different intentions going in and such.

So far I have found that, for me, 10 mg is pretty predictably a little "moment of zen" that leaves me refreshed, motivated, and in a positive mood.


Up until this point, I have been specifically using the white fluffy crystalline portion of my magic.

Today I used 10 mg that was a glob of the yellowish goo (ACRB), with some crystals stuck to it.

Hard to say if it was just a natural variance in the psychedelic experience or a difference in the contents of the goo vs crystals, but it seemed to me to be significantly more visual then my other sessions. So much so that I felt very compelled to leave my eyes open, amazed at the visual experience quite literally "unfolding" in front of me.

Hard to describe, hard to even recapture in my minds eye. Terms like "ever changing" "grids" "webs" "networks" come as close as I can describe them at this point. Alex Grey's artwork definitely seems reminiscent of it.

At one point, the very square room I was in felt and looked very round, and looked very golden yellow, almost cathedral like. This was very brief, but was probably the most memorable visual experience I have experienced yet.

Even though this was much more visually impressive, the over all intensity of it felt the same as my other 10mg white fluffy experiences.


Definitely will be doing some more tests between the pure white, and the yellow goobers.

The yellow goo, wax etc. is very active, I tend to have some pretty intense trips with it. Now you've dipped your toes in the yellow. Good to hear that you liked it.

The "little moments of Zen" is a beautiful description!

And, yes I've had that experience of when I open my eyes the visual activity is so endlessly inventive and so engaging I know I should close them again and re-immerse myself, I can't!

Only used pure white Xtals and the OEVs filled the room with Elves at work, alien scripture, ectoplasm in the air and the rest I can't begin to describe. Rather than round off sharp or square edges they were taken apart like exploded diagrams and then reassembled again in a way that shouldn't have been.

Interestingly enough, my follow up session, two days later, with 10mg of the same type of gooeyness with crystals attached, produced a quite light, and hardly visual experience at all.

At this point, I have run 70 - 80 mg through my GVG in 10 mg sessions, and have a large patch of crystals in the curve of the GVG, that melt to liquid each session, and re crystallize the next day.

It makes sense that as more gets deposited there in each session, exponentially more is being attracted to there in each subsequent session, so I decided to give it a rinse with some warm 95% ethanol, and evap that out in a small dish and measure the results.

It is evaporating now, will be curious to find out how much ended up sticking in there.

Will also be interesting to see how 10mg, hit fully, in a clean GVG, compares to the same technique and amount in a well used spice laden GVG.

At 10 mg, even if just a few mg are condensing in the glass each time, that is 30% of the target dose!

How many screens are in your gvg? More the better, I think I have 7 in mine and a small layer of ash, seems to help reduce that.

I use a disk of chore-boy, on top of the stock screen.

I don't believe it is any kind of dripping action, as there is never any evidence of a large or small drop, it is more a small area that gets hazy right where the vapor stream hits the glass, and continues to build up each session little bit by little bit.

I am 99.9% sure it is hot vapor hitting the cool glass, and instantly condensing part of the vapor onto the glass.



I think that doing five 10mg sessions would produce more condensate then one 50mg session, as the physics of the whole process change as different parts of the process happen, and doing the whole process 5 times vs 1 time, opens the window of opportunity more often for the spice to condense on the cool glass.

I recommend cleaning your GVG very frequently. As you have discovered, condensate accumulates on the glass elbow, and with each successive use, it seems that more condensate accumulates.

By cleaning frequently, you ensure that most of the dose remains as vapor instead of condensing on the glass.

(I clean mine thoroughly every other use.)

Thanks Gibran2, seems like sound advice.

Today I tried 14~15 mg, and wowza, the difference between 10mg and 15mg is quite significant!

I think DMT's unique character starts to make itself more apparent around 15mg, where at 10 it is more similar to other tryptamines I have experienced.

I wont go on about it in this thread beyond that, as this thread is my log of 10mg experiences.