"a troop of elves smashes down your front door, and rotates and balances the wheels on the afterdeath vehicle, present you with the bill and then depart." -TM

What's he really getting at here?

"rotates and balances the wheels on the afterdeath vehicle" means a metaphysical adjustment to your being of some kind.

"present you with the bill" implies there is a hidden esoteric charge that incurs as a result of taking this fuitlike substance.

I believe what Mckenna is saying that dmt prepares you for the afterlife by the "elves" giving your "afterdeath vehicle" a cosmic tuneup. This tuneup is a glimpse of what is like to die. I am not sure though that a high dose of dmt is the same experience as dying. I do believe that the exposure to experience like a high dose of dmt, or other psychedelics for that matter, would help someone come to terms with what it might be like to die. Someone who has not had an experience like that before can not understand what it would be like to have "you" completely dissolved away for a period of time to only come back and keep on living. I don't know if I understand the bill thing. The knowledge we receive from the experience might be the bill, because that sort of knowledge could greatly effect your life. Cool Mckenna quote!!

So, you are saying that it gives you an incredibly believable impression that you extend in existing beyond your life as a human on earth?

And your life feels different after this? What exactly do you find different?

I have pondered this as well I do sometimes feel like dmt can be a bit like a kid taking a peek at his presents before christmas, kind of spoils it for when its finally time to open them. silly analogy i know but its something to think about

I agree that any psychedelic experience is not likely going to be the same as what you experience when you die, but it could be happening in the same place. Also the feeling of having your ego disintegrated, especially in such a sudden and jarring way, can certainly feel like dying. Especially when, at the time, you are not consciously aware that you've taken a drug and are just seeing everything at face value. It seems to me that basically for a short time, and in every way that matters to your mind and consciousness, you die.

This does change you. I imagine it would be different for everyone, but in my own experience, I guess it made me believe more strongly in an existence beyond our physical body, made me wonder a lot more about the nature of reality and "death" and, in general, brought up about a thousand questions that I may never find the answer to. It kind of felt like it woke me up somehow and tuned me into another frequency of thought that I completely ignored before that point.

I could spend all day trying to take the experience and the after-effects and put them into words, but I could never do it justice. It just doesn't have the same profound effect when you're reading it on the page, and it's this profound effect that can change your way of looking at everything. It's something that, in my opinion, can only be experienced first hand.

So, you are saying that it gives you an incredibly believable impression that you extend in existing beyond your life as a human on earth?[/quote]

Yes, it is definitely a very believable impression, but that is not to say it isn't the actual thing. With dmt, I always come back to myself, and I would guess that maybe with dying you don't come back, I really don't know though, and I don't believe that anyone really knows.


And your life feels different after this? What exactly do you find different?

I wouldn't say that my life feels completely different, but I do feel that this experience has aided my concept of what the afterlife might be like, and it has definitely led me to be open to more ideas/spirituality.

I know how easy it is to feel like it is a valid source of information but I have to check myself and realize it is a psychoactive drug and has unexplainable effects on rationality.

It is all to easy to adhere to the idea that I am just an organic robot set up to exist for a short time for computatonal
processes that serve some end that I am denied awareness of directly (like the reason for mans existance on earth, popular conspiracies like harvesting
energy for aliens or etc etc)

But why I don't buy into this organic robot type functionality completely is because when you direct your mind towards all the understanding of the principles of reality
like how does matter exist, what is time, where is the location of the universe? there seems to be no definitive reasoning or even at least intuitive rationalisation
for anypart of the explaination of what you find in existance, I mean nothing whatsoever!
Even though there are concrete particulars we can work with, chemical reactions, cells, sound, physical forms etc. The foundation of all these are just concepts that the mind cannot ascertain meaning for so much so that the interperetation of these so seeming constants are vary arbitrary, so only the trained mind or expanded mind pick up on there incompleteness of total understanding (mathemeticians, philosophers, psychedelic users etc.)


So therefor I think this leaves some avenues open for the afterlife continuation as some part of what you are existing
as now. It could be that you are existing as something else right now although you don't realise it completely and
then when you die you become aware of what you were blind to previously. For example, if some part of your physical makeup was conscious and when it decomposed it become hyperconscious. That is only an example and not what I intend to mean only trying to let you see how such a process might exist with some childlike imagination, or say my conscious awareness was actually existing not in the physical plane that I think I am existing in but somewhere else behind the simulation like another dimension and when I died, I finaly realised I lived my entire life from this totally other place and never realized it.

Funily enough, this interperetation problem I wrote of previously extends onto subjective perception too. I mean, you know what it feels to touch, see, hear but you don't know how it is to understand these sensations without labeling them. A baby human doesn't have a fully developed sensory analysis bay and therefor is lost in multi-interperetationalism just like how we alternative minds can ponder the multi-interperperational nature of the boundaries of reality.

Partly a satire rant ---- >

" Afterlife "

What afterlife ? The one that frightened people imagine and cling to because they are afraid to die ? Maybe useing psychedelics positively could help there ?

Please remeber that " Brian " mckenna was a bard . A story teller like enid blyton or J. K. Rowling. . Just a different style .

What hidden meaning ? You mean like jesus ? An esoteric character that had super powers and could do tricks and see things that others couldnt ? Did he walk on water ?

People looking for hiden meaning in what he said are speculating about their own egoistic fantasys . That eventualy ends up in gods chosen people ........ and unbelievers ...... witch hunts where true " brian " experts have contact to his spirit , call themselves shaman , priests , imams and rabis = power crazy nut cases that have wars against eachother to prove that they are real believers and that their faith is the true faith .

Maybe we should write his wisdom down in 10 sentances on stone tablets , indoctrinate our children and then he will give us a free place in heaven !!!!!



Our BRIAN that art in hyperspace , shalow be thy name , thy machine elves come , thy will be done in hypespace as it is in the asylum , give us this day loads of $$$$$ and forgive us our egoism as we dont forgive others that dont trespas against us, on earth as it is in nibiru . A-aaaaa-women .

^lol

My attitude to the OP's question is a yes. I've thought about it briefly.

I conclude that there are Entities on the other side that are interested in ur development. And show a considerate amount of patience in doing so. Usually crazy out of this world stuff. Now. Why would these entities be so interested in teaching you things that are fully beyond the human scope. Show you things that you may never understand in this lifetime. Especially considering one may never go back to smoking DMT after the first few tokes.

My logical conclusion is that this is because it is of interest on a soul level. Nothing more nothing less. Surely this affects this life but i'm quite positive that if I retain some kind of memory after I die that I will remember my DMT experiences first.

Ive kind of equated DMT to the "forbidden fruit", that once consumed the subject is changed forever and exiled from their previous "home". Now this could be taken in several ways, the first being that it is indeed a fruit of "knowledge", enlightening whoever consumes it at the price of having a deeply changed perception of reality. However a darker implication could be that having "cheated" a taste of the afterlife, whoever eats of this fruit is banished from eternal bliss.

" However a darker implication could be that having "cheated" a taste of the afterlife, whoever eats of this fruit is banished from eternal bliss. "

What eternal bliss ? What could imply that one will be banished from it ? By who ? Is there a cosmic rule " Who made it ?

IF you see an implication why couldnt it imply the oposite ? Maybe people that dont trip have sinned , waisted their lives and thrown them away and wont get to heaven ? What heaven ? Where is it ?

Some people seem to me to be looking at life through esoteric glasses that they inherited from youpoop or esoteric books in " religeous " terms like afterlife and eternal bliss . Could it be that we have been indoctrinated by evil power crazy people ? People that want to try to controle us by giveing us a guilty conscience ? For example " You wont get to heaven if you dont do what i say " or " If you dont do what i say santa / jesus wont love you " or " The easter bunny gave his life on the cross to save me from your sinns " ?

TM, while intriguing and eloquent, was also arguably bat$#!7 insane.

" TM, while intriguing and eloquent, was also arguably bat$#!7 insane. "

OMG !!!!! HERASY !!!!!! What will the members of " The holy church of " The life of Brian McKenna " say ? Have you no fear of attacks with hellfire rockets ? Or being called a troll for being honest ? Maybe they send you to Nexamo bay and play U2 at ten thousand watts to mentaly and physicaly castrate you ?

It's hard to speculate with accuracy when the quote is removed from context.

McKenna is a poet. What he said there conjures many different images/ideas and the quote puts all manner of weird concepts in your head. Beyond that, I wouldn't look into it that much.

Good quote though.

You will find out when/if you go there!

Isn't insanity what we're all here for though?

Really though I think people take that guy way too seriously. I listened to his lectures like 50 hours straight a while back and now I really regret not spending that time like studying or whatever.

As for the afterlife I reckon it's just about the same as this life, I just won't be a part of it anymore.

I believe this to be more likely. Interestingly i read somewhere that psilocybin is being researched for this very same theme, in order to assist those with terminal illness to have a mystical experience that can remove the fear of death thus making their remaining days more positive for them and their family members. Psilocybin is very closely related to dmt in molecular structure, and some call it 'orally activated dmt'!

I don't see this as some esoteric message that needs to be metaphorized. I think TM is simply making a statement about the intensity and outrageousness of the DMT experience. The "present you with the bill and depart" likely refers to the emotional power and the shortness of the experience. It's TM's poetic way of expressiveness.