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ronaldo
#1 Posted : 1/25/2015 11:44:09 AM
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Is it better to smoke dmt extract , ingest dmt in capsules in moderation or brew it for a beginner?

or is it better to start with a different drug like mushrooms or lsd before doing dmt?

Ive heard different answers from different people on videos and forums, i have over dosed before by taking capsules once and it is definitely not pleasant.
 

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#2 Posted : 1/25/2015 2:43:03 PM
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Overdosed by taking capsules of what?

 
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#3 Posted : 1/25/2015 3:12:43 PM
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ronaldo

Do a brew first ....... BUT ...... do some resading about set and setting and ritual . What is it and why is it good ? Also find a friend to do it with who doesnt take any and a place to do it . You will need a place where you wont be disturbed and can be quiet or listen to music ....... indoors . And make sure that you have a towel , blanket and somewhere to lie down . A bucket is good in case you want to spit something out .

These things need doing with respect and reverence . Drugs are not toys and anyone who just decides ....... " OK i"ll take some DMT " ...... without doing proper reseach and also ...... being honest with oneself about ones own mind , fears and weaknesses ....... that person is heading for problems .

We often tend to get the sort of trip we think that we are going to get = If we think that a ceratain drug has certain characteristics = a stereotype experience ...... Thats what happens . By that i mean that across the web we read that certain psychedelics are stronger , less controlable or more dangerous ....... or that we tend to have certain hallucinations with different drugs its crap . The same with the physical effects . The people that believe that they are going to puke puke .

There were experiments done i think in the 60s / 70s where people were injected with classic hallucinogens and they couldnt tell the difference .

To get reliable information i would stick to this forum or books by recognised experts . Youtube is often crap and so are a lot of forums .

I am autism spectum ........ please dont burn me at the stake for being honest .
 
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#4 Posted : 1/25/2015 3:36:40 PM

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Brew can be just as intense as smoked, but it allows for you to work your was up very slowly & guides you in.
Lots of dmt in the brew will take you very far for a long time.

I'd advise you to start working with vine first & get your brewing technique down.
Once you know how the vine works & can brew in a way that works well enough to produce effects, but doesn't cause too much nausea (which you may or may not get) you can move on to brewing leaf or whatever dmt containing plant you'd like to use.

Then figure out starting low, your dosage there. If you are patient you will find your sweet spot without too much of a rough ride.
underdosing is far better than a massive dose.

Everyones body chemistry is different & you need to find what agrees best with yours.

Set & setting are very important as well. quiet, comfortable, & safe enviornment is best as god said.

Also do not attempt to use aya recreationally. It is a very powerful medicine & tool, it may end up showing you some things you are not ready to see.
Have an idea of why your using aya, what you would like to accomplish with it, & have a good understanding of the context in which it is used & why.

 
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#5 Posted : 1/25/2015 5:41:57 PM

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This is good advice, working your way in slowly and having a comfortable safe place with someone you trust to watch/guide/help you if need be. I wouldn't start with vaped spice if it were me, but as far as other entheogens go I would say it doesn't matter what you start with as long as you wade in slowly and with intention, respect, etc. You could start with low doses of vaped spice but I would suggest against this as the duration of experience is not very long and doesn't give you much of a chance to get acquainted with the effects.

God, your mind does play an integral role in how these kinds of drugs will effect you but to say that is the defining criteria for what will happen and how it will effect you is downright silly. If you gave me the pepsi challenge between mescaline, lsd, and mushrooms I can confidently say I would be able to pick them out. You talk in absolutes a lot, you should think about the way you are wording things. None of us are perfect but to tell someone, definitively, something that is just not true... Wut?
 
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#6 Posted : 1/25/2015 6:13:19 PM

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You can also work your way up by smoked changa or pure dmt. You just have to start with very low doses. Please read all about it before you actually do it. Knowing is the key to success. You already know from your own experience what is it like to use any drug without proper knowledge.
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#7 Posted : 1/25/2015 10:34:39 PM

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The idea we have now of Ronaldo is he should start with the less complex approach, no? And so go for a brew of Syrian rue (this is what he has) and as an option some little bark brewed too. Smoking pure dmt/changa means he would have to make extracts too (supposing we don't want him to search for a buy). Extracts is possible for him but only in the future, he must read and digest tons first for that. Brewing is the most simple, I gave him a link in his other thread. Brewing 3 to max 4 gr of Rue + 2 to max 5 of his bark, I suggest he goes from there and stick to it until it works out fine. That, plus nailing the right set/setting of which he got advise too, and more to find.

Ronaldo, start digging the FAQ and Wiki, read, read and read, take it serious, take your time for it. Are you with us on this one? There is a threshold of efforts to be made on your side, way beyond asking what to do in a 1,2,3... because people will hint you but not spoon feed from zero in every detail on a personal level, because all the info is already here, you came to a fine place. Show that you started reading/studying by asking questions in the relevant existing threads. Many people ask to be hand held, that's normal, but seldom it works out that way.

R, please note that making extracts is not necessary, brews are very much effective for personal works, and fairly simple. I really hope you get that down the belt. If you are willing to that approach, don't get overwhelmed by the massive info about extracts, just focus on brews only, skip the rest for a time being.
For brewing you won't be able to stay under mom's radar, if that is an issue forget about it, then Shrooms are actually even more simple than brewing, just dose right, mind set/setting.
 
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#8 Posted : 1/26/2015 4:08:19 AM

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I agree with being honest about your fears/intentions. You can't lie to DMT, it may reveal truths about yourself you may not want to face. Candles, or soft light are allies of mine when making a powerful psychedelic journey. Many here prefer quiet. I myself prefer music. Everything impacts the experience, and the experience impacts you.
 
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#9 Posted : 1/26/2015 4:40:36 AM

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There's alot of info here at nexus . set & setting is everything . Start with minimal expectation . Spend time at low doses getting used to the effects. The more you can learn to deal with it without freeking
the more you'll get out of it. Stay grounded don't read too much into your initial experiences .
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#10 Posted : 1/27/2015 9:14:05 AM

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I would suggest Changa. Find your comfort levels much easier. Then when you are ready for a breakthru, just go for it. Its also easy to keep yourself in a prolonged state with changa.
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