Honestly, it sounds like you don't need much advice: you seem to have learned the most important lesson from this all on your own.

It's also worth nothing that everyone who regularly partakes ultimately has some kind of difficult experience/bad trip. It's just a matter of time, and this may have been yours. It's a shame it was your first one though.

Blessings
~ND

Hello my fellow, it sounds like you learned a lesson today!
I too know the feeling of being helplessly poisoned, agitated, asking myself why I did this, and attempting to rid the contents of my stomach as soon as possible. And yes, that feeling of panic where you can't make proper decisions. This is very much a matter of dose and preparation.

Consider this a teaching on what not to do; under what conditions would you feel comfortable losing your marbles in a controlled fashion? How can you ensure your dose is correct? Is luck on your side?

As with any new medicine/poison, make sure to test with a small dose. The more skeptical you are of the material, the more careful with dosage. Don't be the FOOL! Eating the wrong thing can end your life, an amazing consequence of living really.

And make sure not to turn around and do something like this again. Think wholeheartedly, get in a state of calm and contentness, and then after your good with the many possibilities you could inhabit, think about it again. I've recklessly poisoned myself once and again just a short time after because I didn't take a hint.

Best of luck, friend! Think twice!

ronaldo

Not an attack just staight talk ---- >

You just found out what can happen when people abuse drugs and themselves . And what can happen if their ego makes them do things that their body doesnt want .

HALLUCINOGENS ARE NOT TOYS ....... and YOU are your mind = DONT MESS WITH IT .

You are lucky that you didnt have a real bad trip .

You didnt do any research . You didnt have a sitter . You didnt take care of set and setting . You didnt do a ritual . You threw something down your neck before your mom came home from work . And you didnt wait long enough before takeing the second dose .

You should have took one dose ...... a measured one ...... and then waited hours . Then if nothing happened wait a week and try again with a different dose .

AND ...... what you describe doesnt sound like a trip to me it sounds like the effects of panic .

The geometric shapes sounds like the start of a trip . J.Otts ursymbols .

Why did you take so much P.Harmala ?

Have you any experience with other hallucinogens ?


Now you have read that ...... smile . Acept it ...... feel huged ...... and start again . Find out about set and setting ...... and about ritual ...... and dont do it on your own . Do it with a sitter = a sensible friend . Preferably one with experience of hallucinogens .

Ok...
Was this your first experience with Psychedelics?
You don't seem to trust the experience to take you.
You bet i've had anxious experiences before - this feeling to have just simply done the WORST thing imaginable with absolutely no way of escape.

Since you were asking for advice:

1. Take it slower
2. Find a better place to do it
3. Accept misery

The thread title is overtly dramatic. The Hospital wouldn't have been able to help you anyways.

Heh

Ayahuasca or any analogue there-of is no joke when you get into the high dissolution dosages. Dissolving within dissolution. Destroying and consuming. Maddening in some sense, but also awe-strickingly beautiful.

It'll take time, but you'll come around; takes time to integrate a doozy like that. I once took too much extracted freebase and extracted maoi, about 5 years back; put me off oral dmt and dmt altogether for over a year. Breathing saved me and funneled the experience into a positive spin. In breath...it abides, and to focus/bring control over breath, brings an evenness to the experience, smoothing things over in a very delightful way.

All i could do was lay on the ground and take it, had no idea of anything, aside from 'that', i was that. Getting pounded by visions like literally being out at sea in a hurricane of insanely novel complexity.

Enough about me, all im saying is that some of us have been there and know what your saying. Your definitely not alone. Live life, enjoy, stay busy/active, do what you love.

I am sorry you had bad experience but I guess you learned a lesson.

If I may ask how old are you Ronaldo ? I ask because you mentioned being scared what would happened
if your mum came home from work and saw you ?

All's well that ends well I suppose.

1) where did you get the idea that if it didn't kick in after 30 minutes you need to take more? It can take 1.5 hours.

2) where did you get the idea that you need to eat in order to have the effects stop? imo this is not true and sounds extremely masochistic.

3) why did you think your bark was weak? what evidence did you have for this suspicion?

4) ingesting that amount of powder will most likely make anyone feel very sick, on top of the purgative effects of the alkaloids. Why did you choose to eat powder instead of making a simple tea?

5) for self experimentation it is logical to eat harmalas first in various doses before even adding the admixture, then to start low with admix and work your way up, patiently, over several sessions.

You were very very lucky to purge most out, because you were back after 2 hours already. Considering the dose you took having regular absorption, you would have been in for X 4 at least.

This should have been enough to get it right to some degree, it was far from that, leaving me with a too worried frown.

Make a dedicated U-turn, redefine "research".
Link --> Ayahuasca using Syrian Rue & Acacia confusa
Deviation advise: for absolute starters, 5 gr potent bark is way enough!
I really wonder if this spoon feed is well spend, but you have the advantage of the doubt. Perhaps, and I hope, you turn into a magnificent traveler, or else take another path in life if things with the plants keep halting.

Take care!

Hey

Ouro essentially said everything I wanted to say. Next time you try this, if you do, I would definitely make a tea and find a quite comfortable private space where you will not be bothered for hours. Drinking tea will still most likely be sickening to a degree but will not be anywhere near as bad as eating bark; just think about the bark being in your stomach. I would for sure start with just harmala tea/ syrian rue or caapi tea without any kind of dmt containing plant admixture just so you can get your feet wet and have an idea of what psychoactive drugs can be like and also to find out what kind of dosage level you will want/need for the harmalas. Then SLOWLY add dmt containing admixture after you have found your sweet spot with harmalas. This, to me, means waiting an hour after drinking my haramala tea and letting the effects kick in and then SLOWLY sipping a known amount of dmt containing admixture over a couple hours give or take till you get to where you want to be. 2-5 grams of acacia confusa tea should be plenty for a first time; I would personally brew 4g and SIP it.

Remember, this medicine does not give you what you want, it gives you what you need. Maybe you have a better idea of what your working with now or what you need.

None of this was meant as a lecture, just advice from someone who has done a fair deal of psychedelics and knows how harrowing the effects can be even when you know "exactly" what your getting yourself into.

Much love

I just wish all these funny posts would stay under the same account name so I can easily find them all

This may come across as absolutely harsh, as it is one of my strongest pet peeves.

The major fall back to public forums like this is that dumb kids get the notion to abuse drugs. You are a threat to this forum, and a threat to the safety of a cherished entheogen. How dare you! 20g? You didn't even try to research, more shame on you if you did research and knew better! You treated DMT like a drug and painted us all in a bad light. Imagine what message you would have sent had you called an ambulance, can you?

I can see the headlines now: Dumb kid hospitalized because of new dangerous drug called DMT.

I REALLY hope you learned your lesson.

If it really is a troll, which I don't think it is, then who cares; let them waste there time and energy.

Hi. Thx for the advice.
1. i watched a video about it on youtube that mentioned it.
2.i heard that tomatoes and lemon can detoxify the body of accident poisoning.
3.i got it online so wasnt sure if i got the real deal or just ripped off.
4.I heard that with the tea it takes a long time to brew and makes you purge where as with capsule powder purging can be avoided.

Hi, im 18. however in our culture we dont move out of the house unless we get married first.

yeb, that was exactly what i was thinking as well, i was thinking what i would tell the paramedics, that was enough for me to change my mind, i wouldnt have mentioned abt dmt anyways,worst case senerio i would have told them i do not know what i took. theres no reason to be selfish and ruin it for other people who are doing it right.

TBH, i never had any experiences with any drug, caz i wasnt looking for a high, i just wanted a spiritual journey.

Hi ronaldo,

could you be more specific about which video you saw that made that claim? Links would be helpful. Similarly with the other points - where specifically did you hear that tea makes you purge and caps don't? I imagine if you took that advice and had a terrible experience you might want to correct them so no one else does the same.

That does come across as harsh. He is 18 years old. Don"t tell me that you never made any mistakes in your teenage years. As far as research goes, his mistake has led him here. What better place to continue with research on, not just ROA and dose size, but integration and general advice on life.

Heres the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewamkPjI_pg