I am looking for new sources of spice in the NL. As I understand Phalaris Arundinacea is growing in NL. There are some topics about extraction methods. But I haven't read anyone having good results.
Is there anyone who know more about this?
- What is the yield?
- Is it difficult?

Etc Etc...

I don't have personal experience with this plant but have heard many things about it from people who have worked with it.

The main problem seems to be that the wild grasses seem to have an extremely unpredictable alkaloidal content. Some grass in a patch may have high dmt content, where as the rest of the grass from the same patch has almost no dmt content and instead is filled with things like gramine. This is the chemical to worry about when it comes to extracts from grasses. If there is a method to clean it up and remove the possible gramine content, it is not known to me.

If you are going to use grasses like this, a lot of the success stories come from using commercially available clones such as the "Turkish red" strain I think it's called. This strain is said to contain more 5-meo-dmt then anything. If you choose to take the route of purchasing a clone, make sure it's an already established plant. The genetic material that makes these strains so good gets lost with breeding the plants, as the first set of seeds can easily lose the genetics necessary for the right alkaloid content.

Hope this helps.

Nothing in these threads?

Collaborative Research Project subforum: ~Phalaris = The Way Of The Future~

Plant Analysis and Substance Testing subforum: The Phalaris Analysis Thread

The latter subforum contains many more threads about Phalaris spp.

Recently, someone claimed a 1% yield from a specific strain.

Growing arundinacea would be ideal and by following the extraction technique seen on the analysis test indicating 33% DMT.

I feel like there are literally dozens of threads full of fantastic, in-depth information and research on this very topic.

Gone-and-Back is more or less correct. Yes the wild grass has an unpredictable alkaloid content and thus wild Pharlaris arundinacea is not really viable as a DMT source. Gramine is removed by extraction with a non-polar solvent so it's not really the main concern. The main concern is the plethora of other alkaloids that will be present in varying ratios and the unpredictability of those ratios. Any randomly collected wild grass may or may not have entheogenic value, this is treading unknown territory and while we do need more experimentation and reporting, it is advised to proceed very cautiously.


Not exactly, the literature claims that in one specific instance Phalaris aquatica var. AQ1 was tested at over 1% DMT, the full text of that study is here for anyone that wishes to follow up on that claim.


This comes across as a bit misleading, so please allow me to clarify. This number refers to analysis of a limonine extraction on Phalaris arundinacea var. Yugo Red. The analysis on the initial material showed it contained DMT but in very low amounts. A fairly crude extraction using room temperature limonine and salting to vinegar gave an end product that was contained about 33% DMT. To put that another way the end product was 67% other stuff an only 33% DMT after extraction. It is undoubtedly possible to clean this up and get a more pure product, but let's not let the numbers fool us, the actual DMT yield even in a specially selected and named P. arundinacea strain like this is extremely low.


This absolutely is the case and it's very important to thoroughly read and grok all the information you can on these grasses before making the decision to pursue independent work with them. However there is a huge amount of information on Phalaris in general and much of it is very contradictory. This is why I always take the time to answer every question I see and repeat myself over and over again to try and make sure we are all on the same page and sharing the most accurate information possible on this very convoluted topic.

I hope that serves to further clarify rather than further distort the available information.

Apologies for jumping ahead.



It certainly would take a lot of work and analysis. Anyone preparing to do this should be aware of all measures and information.