Hi all,

I was curious if there was any reason that, instead of spending hours boiling acacia confusa root bark, and boiling rue seeds to make ayahuasca (30:12g ratio), I couldn't just grind the rue and eat it, wait an hour, and then mix the acacia powder into a glass of water and drink it.

Or at the very least, could i make the normal confusa brew, but then eat the rue seeds an hour before drinking it.

Thanks for any answers!

I suppose you COULD do that...
But then again you COULD also eat a block of wood...(which is not too far off from eating root bark)

By brewing the Ayahuasca, the tryptamines and MAOIs leave the plant material and go into the water.
If you were to just eat the seeds/bark it would probably take a very long time to digest and you wouldn't get any effects...(along with extremely unpleasant GI disturbances, I would imagine)

Besides, Ayahuasca is already rough on the stomach when properly brewed...Don't make it any worse lol

If you can't take the time to atleast brew Ayahuasca, then maybe it isn't for you?
You should put some time and effort into making it as good as possible.
For me it's usually a full day process and you'll find out why once you drink it

Just brew it, man...haha

I would happily brew ayahuasca the traditional way, but I'm limited to using a homemade hotplate, so it takes around 4 days to do it well. It's not out of a lack of respect for the aya that I want to try and speed-up the process

Hmm, perhaps try getting a big pot and brewing it over a campfire in the woods?
Then save the brew and drink in a comfortable place with a responsible, educated sitter?

The hotplate does work, its just slow. And I unfortunately don't have access to woods where I'de want to sit all day (-30 celsius) and brew. By not having to make a separate rue brew, i cut 8 days down to 4, so it would great if i could just eat them without sacrificing their effects...

Gotta brew it, man.
Take the time, maybe it's good that it will take that long.
You'll have lots of time to ponder what you're getting yourself into, haha.
Put a lid over it to speed the process a bit...
Bring the water to a boil before adding anything.

PHOMan: why do you have only a homemeade hotplate? Won't your parents let you brew on their cooker? Or are you brewing in a dorm room? Neither of these situations would be ideal.

You could brew both ingredients together, thus halving the time taken. And if you can afford to purchase rue and ACRB, can't you at least save up for a slow cooker or a rice steamer which might expedite the decoction process?

The journey is more important than the destination...

Indeed, my parents are the reason for the homemade hotplate. The hotplate is slow, which allows me to brew the aya while I'm at school, which is the only way for me to do it.

As for brewing together, I would prefer to take the MAOI and the ACRB brew an hour apart. I think I'll make a tea with the rue, and then drink it and the rue used to make it. Good idea?

Grind up your syrian rue if it isn't already, and just eat it when you're ready. You do however need to extract the alkaloids from your acacia. If you don't want to fuss with your hot plate, have you considered trying a cold water extraction?

Go traditional..

I tried doing it the capsule way, put 20g acacia powder in 00 veg capsules then mixed 5 grams of Syrian wild rue seeds in some juice. Downed the juice, waited about 5 minutes, started taking the capsules. There were like 35 of them, seems intimidating at first. Waited about an hour to two hours, thought I felt it coming on.. But wrong. I found myself purging it all back up.
With no trip what so ever, complete waste. /: but then again, I didn't grind up the seeds. That could have been my mistake.

I would think leaving a hotplate unattended all day is highly unwise

If you don't have recourse to boil a pot (not even a friend with their own kitchen), or the energy to put into watching over your brews, one must ask whether you're ready to make your own?

Not meaning to come off as hostile at all, but there's a few threads on here that verge on lazy, or instant gratification. I believe energy in = energy out, making a brew (whether for tea or extraction) with intent, love and care is such an awesome part of the process (albeit time consuming). There's a lot of "how do I speed up my changa to have it ready for tomorrow", or people haplessly gulping down raw plants, and to me it seems they're robbing themselves of half of the experience.

Unless you're 16 (??), surely an opportunity to use a stove will produce itself at some point. I strongly recommend patience. Working with plants is just that - not leaving them alone to cook themselves.

Everything in its right time

thats a very polite way to put it

I hope you're not but it sounds like you're straying into dodgy territory with undercover brewing.

I agree that leaving the hotplate unattended would be rather unwise. I've found a better way to brew that allows me to suppervise the process, so no worries. Smaller volumes of water allow a higher temperature, so 6x250ml extraction with 30g of A. confusa (5 doses).

its good you wont be leaving a hot plate on but why cant you just brew up in the kitchen? do you have permission to brew in the house you are brewing in?

sounds like you might be doing it without the knowledge of the home owner. Appologies if not.

It's simply much easier to control a hotplate than an antiquated old stove

If you want to speed the brewing process up i'd suggest extracting 1g or so of spice & converting to fumarates.
That way you only need to brew the rue dose & you have the other half more precisely dosed & also have a nice amount on hand to dose with your rue brew.

Then just dose the rue & in 15 minutes dose 20-50mg of fumarates dissolved in 10ml water.

Even if your a hardhead & need 100+mg dmt with your rue you'd have 10 doses on hand.