I love how they call dmt ecstasy But seriously running makes everything worse,your best chance is getting a lawyer and keeping your mouth shut

I agree.

awww shoot this kind of stuff happens all the time here in the USA.

For instance, a friend of mine was murdered many years ago. A local policeman came out to let us know that my wife was required to be a witness against the fella that committed the crime. No biggie right?

well apparently since the cop had the right to be on my property, he decided to go through all the barns and outbuildings before going to the house. His excuse was that he was looking for my wife. (clearly she would have been in a shed or the barn, why even bother trying the house first? right?). If ya saw the layout of the farm it would seem even funnier.... you actually need to drive past the house and continue another 2000ft to get to the barn.
Anyway, he saw something in the barn that confused him. So after letting my wife know that she needed to be a witness he left to consult with superior officers (oxy moron?) and to check his policeman handbook (ya know, the handbook that tells you about how the purple male marijuana plants are strongest and stuff like that).


They waited for a day when I went out into the woods sawmilling (bout 40miles from the farm). That cop, the drug task force, and about 14 other cops raided my barn that day. They were all sortsa messy and pissed off and whatever about the apparent "Meth Laboratory" that I had right there in the barn.
The wife was obviously nervous and explained to them that I indeed did NOT have a methlab. They pointed to the bag of "Sodium Hydroxide" (lye) and the 2, 55 gal drums of METHanol... Not to even mention the questionable amount of electrical wiring, pumps, water piping, etc etc (what?!?!? I build shit for a living).
When my wife pointed to the 200gallon tank of vegetable oil and gave a quick explanation of what biodiesel is, and how well the tractor runs on it, boy those cops were really annoyed. I mean, the little cop booklet they all get clearly states that the only use for Lye is for making metamphetamines, right? and gosh darn if I didn't have drums that said METHanol.... well shoot, that's not wood alcohol, its got the gawdarn word Meth right there on it in red letters.

Anyhow, if you aren't doing anything illegal, you obviously don't need to ask for a lawyer. You obviously don't need to ask "do you have a warrant? cuz that'll piss them off, plus it means you are obviously doing something wrong (the cop book says so on page 143)... and for f*cks sake, DON'T RUN AWAY!!!! geeez hasn't anyone seen the show "cops" ??? all running does is earn you a broken nose, I dislike breaking my anything, it hurts and I don't like pain. So anyway, like an innocent man, I didn't do anything. Of course the phone call out in the woods resulted in such a huge amount of laughter we had to take a break from sawmilling and chill out for a bit.

For the next year, anytime there was a roadblock it was always located at the end of my driveway, and me going in or out of my driveway resulted in flashing lights and a "whatchooTryingToRunFromUsBoy" ???
In the end justice was served. The initial cop (determined to promote his status as a man that'll bust a methlab) finally found a methlab!!! He was all excited his hot tip did indeed find one. Sadly when filling out the form for the "drug task force" his #2441 looked like a #2447 in the little slot for "address"
Sadly this resulted in an old man and lady being pinned to the ground at gunpoint while their house was ravaged. Meanwhile 3 houses down, the 45 mexicans that lived in at 2447 were loading a van and hauling ass to wherever.
Poor lil cop will never make mayor of Hicksville now, stuck making $14,000 a year at the local (bring your own gun) police station.

The end.

My reaction:



HILARIOUS.

I think this is the vid:




Kind regards,

The Traveler

And while we're on the subject, there are two more things to keep in mind (at least for Americans):

1) NEVER consent to a search (of your car, your home, or your possessions). And even if the cop DOES SEARCH ANYWAY (never FIGHT or STRUGGLE or YELL at police), calmly repeat "Officer, I do not consent to a search" .

2) NEVER let police into your house. If there is some need to talk to them, then go outside your front door to talk to them (but for 99.9% of what they might ASK YOU if you go outside, politely tell them: "Sorry officer, but I've been told to never talk with police without my lawyer present; so I don't answer police questions"

The main results of ALWAYS reliably and politely doing the above will be:

1) A MUCH LOWER chance of even being arrested. Cops are actually INTIMIDATED by people who know their rights and exercise them. They almost INSTINCTIVELY KNOW they will not get a conviction against you if you take this attitude and position.

2) Your lawyer can then virtually ALWAYS either GET YOU OFF or else get an EXTREMELY reduced plea bargain--if you have exercised your rights to decline a search and not to speak--no matter WHAT you might believe is the evidence against you. For example, police break in and find A KILOGRAM OF HIGHLY PURIFIED DMT on your kitchen table. If you say NOTHING (except that you never talk to police without your lawyer present), they arrest you, take you to jail, etc. The FIRST THING the prosecutor has to do in court is prove that it was YOUR DMT--and if you've said NOTHING, then there's always at least some doubt--perhaps someone you met on the internet came in to visit, dropped it on the table, announced he was going out for some beer and cigarettes--and obviously didn't return when he saw police cars surrounding your house, and you didn't know what it was--and now the visitor is gone for good and you have no way to identify him to police... If you have said NOTHING, then it is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to get a successful prosecution against you, and prosecutors KNOW THIS--and will often bargain with your attorney for an extremely MINIMAL charge--or even no charge at all.


EDIT: And BTW, in the crazy scenario I described above, the FIRST THING a police officer will do upon noticing the DMT is ask "Is this yours?" If you say yes, you've of course given GRAVE evidence against yourself, if you try to spontaneously "make up a story" you will undoubtedly say something ridiculous--and perhaps ALSO get charged with "obstruction of justice" for lying, but if you utilize your right to remain silent then the DMT BELONGS TO NOBODY--it's possession must be legally established**. And when your LAWYER meets with the prosecutor and informs him that it was left by a visitor you just met, it can go over MUCH better than some foolishness you say to cops, who will just laugh at you. Refusing to answer questions or make statements is an UNBELIEVABLY POWERFUL right!

**And there are MANY cases of this getting people (who are SMART) off: examples are guns/dope found in cars (when people mistakenly consented to a search after they were stopped), and nobody admits that it's "theirs." If it's nobody's POSSESSION then nobody can be convicted.

That may work, SWIMfriend.
You could say it isn't yours and that to belongs to
a someone who you cannot identify and wasn't present
during the time of the bust. In a healthy legal system
lack of concrete, direct evidence of illegal activities
would find the defendant not guilty. But is the legal
system still healthy? In america or anywhere in Europe?
I'm more and more affraid the legal systems are no
longer all that healthy and less and less concrete
evidence is needed to prosecute someone with drug-
charges. A chapter of Shulgin's TIHKAL mentions this
eroding of morality in drug-charge cases. According
to him drug-trials are more and more becomming like
show-trials.

I guess it would be better to do one's best to hide one's
illegal entheogenic crystals so well that the most
clever cop will never find it, not even after the most
thorough stripsearch. Be creative, people, VERY creative.

Obviously they are MUCH stronger than us. And we all
know; Those who can't be strong, will have to be smart.
Picking the Fruits of responsible Entheogen use, while
keeping illegal materials & activities ingeniously hidden
seems to be the best way to escape falling prey to this
21st century witchhunt.

@Ringworm: LoL, that was a great read - you have a writing style that hits my funny bone

That is rich

Hahahhhh nice story ringworm

And thanks SWIMfriend for the advice. This is something the psychedelic community in general needs to be more aware of

Bump for newcomers; important to stay safe.


One lawyer recommends saying the following:

"I respectfully invoke all my legal and constitutional rights; I never consent to any searches;
I want to remain silent, and I want to speak with my attorney".
WSaged also mentioned Barry Cooper's Never Get Busted.

Just for clarification; I thought if the police came to your house and you opened the door to them they were allowed to come inside? Is this not true or does it only apply if you INVITE them inside? I have always talked to the police thru the door if I have anything to hide.

In my experience they ask if they can come inside and talk to you. (Long story, ex's mother, womanly things.. you know how it is). That was the first thing the officer asked. Unfortunately, she let him in before I could respond and BOY did that man have a lot of off topic questions!



This bothers me on a few levels. Every DMT bust that happens risks larger lengths if public awareness. These reporters being stupid may not turn out to be a bad thing. Most people have already heard of ecstasy, and think nothing of the word 'dimethyltryptamine' as anything more than chemical sounding. Ignorance is bliss right?

Secondly, I will conclude that this man was his own worst enemy. I won't rehash what others have said. Let this be a lesson to all of us, that when we take our inward journeys we are taking a risk at our freedom. God only knows what random things that could happen to put you in jeopardy, and if the worst were to happen to any of you; do not be like this guy.

Law enforcement is adversarial by its nature, remember this always.

I doubt that having a can of lye and a can of napatha some jars..funnels ..coffie filters in them selves are illeagle..

But I just wonder what the police can do if they find nothing ..say..in your car or home except one little glass DMT pipe that you forgot to clean?

If they find ..[no drugs at all]..but find pipe with some dmt residue in it..how much trouble can that be?

Years back.. many people have been arrested for pot resadue found in pipes..

Personally i clean my pipe often but not often enough and worry about this?

For my own safty ..[in my mind rehearse being stoped].. and what moves the oficer will make against me..

After this rehearsal I arange things so that nothing can be found in case im ever stoped..

I even take my ..[multi peice pipe apart].. after cleaning and put the cleaned bowl one place and the other parts of pipe in several diferent places making it much harder to peice together..

Does the government have an on the spot drug test kit that will detect DMT??
The residue thing concerns me...

Erlrichs reagent maybe?

Of course anyone who has ever seen 'Cops' knows they carry reagent kits for testing amphetamines, cocaine, heroin. Would these detect trypramines, and how much sample would be destroyed in the process? Perhaps by the time they could narrow it down-without the accused's assistance of course, they may have destroyed it all, idk. I've been curious about this too.