Lately i have been spending a lot of time meditating, I have practiced the ability to sense out my whole body and concentrate out some central pressures i feel occurring, I can through this meditation i believe breakthrough without the use of DMT.

I feel similar effects to when smoking low doses of DMT I gain pupil dilation and i feel extremely at peace with myself. However I am not yet able to breakthrough with this method, but it does give me the ability to breakthrough on smaller doses.

does anyone else experience this? for the past few weeks I have been pushing my meditation to boundaries I never thought existed within myself, I feel as if i have vibrations in my feet, knees, shoulders and elbows, first couple of times I experienced this i didn't know what to do and it quickly disappeared as I was distracted easily. now I've come to the point beyond this where these "vibrations" or energies push to a central area in my stomach/groin area and shoot up my spine into my head and I start to hear a faint buzzing, similar to ring I hear when breaking through. (similar but the onset is much slower and requires total concentration on this thought alone)

at the moment this is as far as I can come, is it possible to breakthrough just through meditation, it certainly seems that way? and does anyone else experience similar feelings?

it can be noted after this i can breakthrough easily on as little as 15-20mg

Before i started meditating and had spiritual experiences i used to do 10+ grams of shrooms. Now i trip harder on 4 then i used too on 10. I don't think intensity of the experience is very dosage related, it's a lot more whats going on inside your own mind. thinking is only a distraction from feeliog. If you silence the mind you start to really feel for the first time..

I've read about others breaking thru with just meditation here.
I've come close once or twice. Very similar to what you describe.
Last time i took aya i felt an energy in my body & had the ability to roll it around to different areas & concentrate & tune it until i felt a physical vibration in my head when my arms were placed in a certain position.
It was the very same energy i felt while meditating, but i havn't been able to get back into that state yet thru meditation alone.
It's almost as if i've found it on accident & can't figure out how to activate it intentionally.

are you familiar with kundalini practices and chakra energies? Your description seems to align to those thoughts somewhat. You may want to look into some of the kundalini techniques, they are said to be quite intense and can be overwhelming for someone who isn't prepared for the experience.

I have similar feelings and I am sure meditation have helped me to go "deeper" with my psychedelic journeys then without it.
Since dmt is quite new to me and I have been meditating (more or less) daily for over 5 years now, it is hard to say what it would be without it. One funny thing is that the entities often puts me through a "meditation test" to see that I am in a mindful state, before they let me go on/go any deeper. But with lsd I get a lot more profound experiences on lower dosages now then 5 years ago.

But I think (and feel) that I have quite a way to go before I manage to breakthrough with the only help of meditation. Even if it feels like it is possible.

I also think that dmt have helped me to "open up" myself during meditation and I have started to get more intense feelings, similar to yours.

Fascinating, isn't it?

spawn, um... yeah. DMT likes the meditation. Keep it up. It will certainly show you its secrets more readily as you've already experienced. I think it shows you how to meditate "better" and meditation shows you how to DMT "better". Goes both ways. A positive feedback loop. I can't imagine doing it without meditating.

I just smoalked some earlier. Just 10mg. And it was quite a powerful experience. I feel my whole inner experience become vast and open as the cosmic energies flow through my body. Particularly up and down my spine and through my breath. One thing I find particularly comforting and grounding during the DMT experience is to allow the energy to go down my spine, through my root chakra, and deep into the earth.


I soooo get that too! Crazy.

rootsie

Yes talking about the mindfullness tests!

It's not a single test, every living moment is a test. The only sin is stupitidy (non-mindfullness) and sin is like a umbrella that holds back the divine powers/knowledge. I've found that the more i live in accordance to oneness the more divine insights i'm granted/the better my experiences are

I think it would be possible to have a "breakthrough" with meditation. I never have personally but I've been pretty far out there. I don't think it would be the same as a DMT breakthrough though.

Meditation does help me break through on smaller doses too though.
I like to meditate and in the middle of it, "spice" things up, then continue meditating.

On the same tune to this ive noticed smoking small quantities in a joijt before neditating allows me to experience other dimensions easily. And enhanced sensory feelings. Such as actuslly feeling gravity within my hands and starting to see other dimeensions visually.

morning folks,

im always amazed at the seeming ease alot of people have at attaining altered states through meditation, i have been sitting for a few years and dont go any where, infact if that voice shuts up for more than a minute or two i am amazed.

frobot, when you say you were "pretty far out there" during meditation, how does this "out there" change with the addition of DMT?

it seems completely impossible to me that anything even near the DMT experience can happen due to meditation, but clearly it does for some folk.

On the same tune to this ive noticed smoking small quantities in a joijt before neditating allows me to experience other dimensions easily. And enhanced sensory feelings. Such as actuslly feeling gravity within my hands and starting to see other dimensions visually.

I fins smoking cannabis and DMT bring on a lovely meditative state I've always found DMT has taught mr very power mediatation techniques I couldnt poossibly have discovered by myself

After 20 days of intense meditation in a forest with hundreds of other spiritual people i walked into a church while i was in a very meditative state, and the air started vibrating like i was tripping and then cold shivers went through my back, but multiple at the same time, they spread through my whole body and it was like a cold eletrical fire baptism

With the addition of DMT I basically can just reach higher levels of meditation faster and without having to concentrate as hard.

The difference between the two is with meditation I do get some weird kind of closed eye visuals, but never anything hyperdimensional like with DMT. It stays between 2 and 3D.
The out of body feeling is about the same though, just with DMT being much further out.
And with meditation I might occasionally feel some kind of presence, but not the same presence that DMT gives. DMT consistently gives me this unique presence as if something is coming down to me from the heavens and it is aware of me just as I am aware of it.

thanks for the answers folks.

thats just what i was after, frobot, cheers.

I feel as if a full breakthrough is definitely possible without dmt. But the dedication it would take would ruin my life. I.e. job etc. I can through meditation basically receive a misfire right upto the buzzing in the head.

I've had some experience manipulating my brain chemistry by using meditation. First I trained myself to stay in a state of consciousness that mimicked light sleep. Research on brain waves, meditation and sleep cycles is kind of interesting. I won't go into it now, but the way you store memory is affected by your state of consciousness at the time.

By accident, I started to discover that if i brought the right conditions together I could reproduce different types of inebriated altered states. The elements were: a trance like state (through meditation and firelight, dance and strobe light/digital animation), particular kinds of music, and association/memory of that music being played when I had been in an inebriated altered state. Once I started to realise which music triggered which inebriated altered state I was able to bring that information to a more controlled meditation environment.

Remember.. your brain remembers everything.. the keys to accessing these memories are triggers, association and state of consciousness.

@harmoniics
Have you got some readings on memory and states of consciousness? It's something I'm very interested in.

I think remembering the condition of altered state is key to integration. Whenever I come down from shrooms I try to comprehend my thought patterns and alter the way I'm thinking sober. Each time I can assimilate more pieces of the experience and thereby decondition my mind. I realized that focus is the most crucial part of it.

very interesting i found after a small dose DMT and using only the buzzin of my refrigerator i was able to concentrate on only this and achieve a sub breakthrough experience.

the buzzin of the refrigerator is very helpfull when concentrating i find