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#1 Posted : 11/18/2014 6:15:55 AM

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I wouldn't doubt if this has been posted here before, but I learned a good bit from it.
One thing that suppliers are told to look for is "An established customer who deviates from previous orders or ordering methods" and I imagine a lot of people do this, for example making a new amazon account to order something, and this could potentially be more suspicious then just ordering it.
Also there were a few chemicals I expected to see that were not listed. Anyone know if these are all the watched chemicals, or are there others?
https://www.erowid.org/a...mistry/buychem.igor.html
 

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#2 Posted : 11/18/2014 7:22:40 AM

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a few beakers and flasks are fine. Keep it small.

Have a clear idea of what you're ordering, and what you're going to do with it. Also have a way to explain why you have it. It's quite unlikely that you're ever going to need to explain why you have it. Unlikely indeed.

Just in case however, have a reason.

Chemicals you can simply pay for in cash. There are alot of food safe teks on the nexus that wouldn't be hard to explain. Remember with equipment that everything you do will suddenly look suspicious.

I do think however that a few beakers is completely worthwhile. You can pick up an entire decent set for 15 bucks. The borosilicate glass is nice especially when mixing lye as thermal shock can shatter soda glass.

Keep them out of eyesight. Another good strategy is to do activities that are completely ordinary and justifiable. Maybe order a book on simple science experiments. This way you have a reason for having it.

Maybe an erlenmeyer you can brew beer in. Ought to look similar to an extraction even.

Think safe, and have a plan.
 
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#3 Posted : 11/19/2014 7:42:24 AM

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1ce wrote:
a few beakers and flasks are fine. Keep it small.

Have a clear idea of what you're ordering, and what you're going to do with it. Also have a way to explain why you have it. It's quite unlikely that you're ever going to need to explain why you have it. Unlikely indeed.

Just in case however, have a reason.

Chemicals you can simply pay for in cash. There are alot of food safe teks on the nexus that wouldn't be hard to explain. Remember with equipment that everything you do will suddenly look suspicious.

I do think however that a few beakers is completely worthwhile. You can pick up an entire decent set for 15 bucks. The borosilicate glass is nice especially when mixing lye as thermal shock can shatter soda glass.

Keep them out of eyesight. Another good strategy is to do activities that are completely ordinary and justifiable. Maybe order a book on simple science experiments. This way you have a reason for having it.

Maybe an erlenmeyer you can brew beer in. Ought to look similar to an extraction even.

Think safe, and have a plan.


I completely agree.

There are a lot of hobbies people can pick up that use glassware.

The funny thing is, I remember coming home to my Dad's house and seeing juice in a 2L beaker(No, the glassware hadn't been used). It is definitely possible to order them, and have them non-suspiciously.
 
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#4 Posted : 11/19/2014 8:46:44 AM

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Precisely. I see nothing wrong with having lab equipment. The thing about it is, extracting DMT in most, if not all parts of the world is less than legal. You want to protect yourself by being able to provide legitimate uses for everything. Weather you're using flasks to brew beer, or try out science experiments (experiments are fun anyway).

You could even actually do a few science experiments, this way should anything ever arise you can explain the experiment to somebody and leave them with an impression that you're not simply making drugs.

Another thing is, it hardly matters if nobody can prove you extract DMT. The most important thing for you to do is to not provide people with any reason to believe that you are doing anything shady in the first place.

 
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#5 Posted : 11/19/2014 4:32:11 PM

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How about producing your own biodiesel?
I'm not sure what type pf equipment you'd be able to get away with, but producing fuel seem like it should be done in something nicer than a 2 liter bottle & some cups.
 
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#6 Posted : 11/19/2014 6:46:47 PM

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How about producing your own biodiesel?
I'm not sure what type pf equipment you'd be able to get away with, but producing fuel seem like it should be done in something nicer than a 2 liter bottle & some cups.


That's not a bad idea. If you acidify to DMT sulfate it gives you an excuse to have H2SO4 on hand. (STUDY THIS CHEMICAL BEFORE YOU USE IT!) And you can dismiss orders of NaOH from dudadiesel.

Sadly I cannot get H2SO4 shipped to me so I'm stuck making my own -.-
 
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#7 Posted : 11/19/2014 10:43:54 PM

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I have just a little bit of basic equipment. I use it for legal caffeine extractions and would never do anything illegal. ever ever.
In the place where I keep it all you can see a box of coffee beans and some extracted caffeine.
Caffeine is just a plant alkaloid so a lot of stuff you might use to do something illegal could hypothetically be used just for caffeine extractions.
 
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#8 Posted : 11/19/2014 11:35:13 PM

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I have just a little bit of basic equipment. I use it for legal caffeine extractions and would never do anything illegal. ever ever.
In the place where I keep it all you can see a box of coffee beans and some extracted caffeine.
Caffeine is just a plant alkaloid so a lot of stuff you might use to do something illegal could hypothetically be used just for caffeine extractions.


I'm not sure about caffeine extractions, but I know caffeine synthesis is illegal. At least in the US.
 
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#9 Posted : 11/20/2014 3:16:01 AM

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As far as I know it is legal. I just did some searching and couldn't find anything that mentioned it though. I know you can legally buy pure caffeine powder.
But if it was for some reason illegal, it probably looks a lot better than a DMT lab
 
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#10 Posted : 11/20/2014 3:59:50 AM

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As far as I know it is legal. I just did some searching and couldn't find anything that mentioned it though. I know you can legally buy pure caffeine powder.
But if it was for some reason illegal, it probably looks a lot better than a DMT lab



I'm not thinking an extraction is. I'm trying to find my source on the legality of synthesizing caffeine in the US. It's been a couple years.

Edit: I can't recall my source so I may be in error. And it may simply be am FDA regulation for food preparation. IIRC it had more to do with toxicity and not allowing domestic synthesis for consumable products.

Since you brought it up, it would be a nifty project. Maybe I could spike my favorite juices into energy drinks Very happy!
 
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Since we're on the topic of cover stories, has anyone ever actually dyed something with their bark? lol. The bark is perhaps the most questionable thing to be found out of all the supplies.

I used some of my spent bark to dye a hammock. Looks good and makes for a good story and sentimental launchpad.
 
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#12 Posted : 11/20/2014 4:47:37 AM

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Icon wrote:
Since we're on the topic of cover stories, has anyone ever actually dyed something with their bark? lol. The bark is perhaps the most questionable thing to be found out of all the supplies.

I used some of my spent bark to dye a hammock. Looks good and makes for a good story and sentimental launchpad.


I have an idea but havn't actually got to try it out yet.
Use natural dye from caapi as the base color & dye a shirt, then use mimosa, acacia, &/or other light containing plants to dye rings of different color in the shirt.
Aside from looking cool, it could also be carefully planned & designed to symbolize the relationship between the two plants in a brew & different concepts.
Different brew mixtures are used to dye different shirts & each shirt is worn during sessions corresponding to the particular brew used that day.
 
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#13 Posted : 11/20/2014 4:52:02 AM

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Since we're on the topic of cover stories, has anyone ever actually dyed something with their bark? lol. The bark is perhaps the most questionable thing to be found out of all the supplies.

I used some of my spent bark to dye a hammock. Looks good and makes for a good story and sentimental launchpad.


What's the possibility of storing the bark in a reptile cage or something similar? I hugely doubt anyone would give this a second thought. And if producing minor amounts of DMT for personal use is the only law you're breaking then you really have little evidence on you unless you keep 'dirty' glass around.

Also something else to note: if (again, not probable but in the event of the unlikely and unthinkable) law enforcement was inside your home, and they had no reason to think it was a meth lab, their next cause for concern would be public safety. Don't be 'that guy' who thought it would be cool to synth diethyl ether, or produce hydrogen gas in their kitchen.

 
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#14 Posted : 11/20/2014 5:01:09 AM

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What's the possibility of storing the bark in a reptile cage or something similar?

Something like this seems like a great idea.
I think everyone should have a backup story. We seem to be a creative bunch, I'm sure we can all come up with one.
 
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#15 Posted : 11/20/2014 5:14:08 AM

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What's the possibility of storing the bark in a reptile cage or something similar?

Something like this seems like a great idea.
I think everyone should have a backup story. We seem to be a creative bunch, I'm sure we can all come up with one.



Hell, buy a generic bag of substrate from a pet store, throw away the old substrate, and store your extra bark in that.

Lab equipment is awesome. I'm going to do an MHRB extraction with H2SO4 acid simmer with a defat step. Then I'll be extracting with trichloromethane, reducing it under vacuum and recrystalizing with heptane.

None of this would be do-able for me without equipment..
 
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#16 Posted : 11/20/2014 6:59:46 AM

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Bark you can have around no problem. First of all, it is somewhat hard to identify as is. There are many different species of tree in the world. Out of sight, out of mind.

In my opinion, it would be chemicals left out in the open that would be no good. It all comes back to your hobbies.

Essential oil extraction is never a bad hobby.
 
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Bark you can have around no problem. First of all, it is somewhat hard to identify as is. There are many different species of tree in the world. Out of sight, out of mind.

In my opinion, it would be chemicals left out in the open that would be no good. It all comes back to your hobbies.

Essential oil extraction is never a bad hobby.


The difference being: If it's disguised as merely being substrate people will think: Oh, hey.. dirt for for lizards to poop on. Rather than a bag of un labled plant matter.
 
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#18 Posted : 11/21/2014 5:23:54 AM

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I feel like I should mention ebay can rock too. If you keep your eyes open for a few things you can usually find good deals. I picked up a (chemglass) soxhlet w/ condenser and some flasks (1 round bottom, 500ml. And 2 flourence flasks, 1000ml and 500ml) for 130$ with shipping.

I've gotten awesome deals on chromatography equipment there also.

 
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#19 Posted : 11/21/2014 6:48:52 AM

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1ce wrote:
I feel like I should mention ebay can rock too. If you keep your eyes open for a few things you can usually find good deals. I picked up a (chemglass) soxhlet w/ condenser and some flasks (1 round bottom, 500ml. And 2 flourence flasks, 1000ml and 500ml) for 130$ with shipping.

I've gotten awesome deals on chromatography equipment there also.



I never thought about getting chromatography equipment...
 
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#20 Posted : 11/21/2014 7:36:29 AM

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I haven't done a chromatography separation of DMT although I've been thinking about it more and more lately.

One thing I quite like doing is, after I wash some of the grime out of my solvent (in a sep funnel) with some distilled water, I will drain everything into a round bottom flask, add a stirbar, and some activated carbon, and begin to magnetically stir. It doesn't take much and after a few minutes your solvent will be crystal clear. I then filter the carbon with a filter flask/büchner funnel a couple times.

I just finished combining 3 pulls, my solvent was a darker yellow than usual. I must've overheated things a little too much and more fat came over.. heh.

Anyway, washed with water. After 3 washes my solvent was a MUCH lighter, clear yellow so some water solubles and small solids (bark, perhaps) were washed out. I cleaned with carbon and now I have this:


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