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Extra vinegar to mesc saturated limonene ok? Options
 
Elijah Phoenix
#1 Posted : 10/31/2014 7:05:04 PM

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Well, I seem to be in a bind. Mescaline saturated limonene has been mixed with vinegar and placed in a gravy separator but the pour spout does not reach the bottom of the glass; meaning that limonene will be poured out first. I am hoping additional vinegar can be added to raise the bottom vinegar portion and eliminate this issue. 25ml of vinegar to start (69ron tek), 25ml (for a total of 50ml)more to see if that resolves the issue. A sep funnel is here, but no experience on how to set up a makeshift stand for it. Though the sep funnel is seeming to be far superior to this.

I can't forsee an issue with additional vinegar, but would appreciate any input as this nears the finish line.
 

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bboy1329
#2 Posted : 10/31/2014 8:58:13 PM
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Im doing the same tek now but with sunflower oil. I don't have a gravy seporator or sep funnel and I haven measure my vinegar yet. The tek says to do a few vinegar pulls anyways with the same limo so extra shouldn't hurt.

I have seen other teks where it didn't give a set amount of vinegar . just basically add it
 
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#3 Posted : 10/31/2014 9:02:36 PM
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Have you done and evaperations yet?
 
Elijah Phoenix
#4 Posted : 11/1/2014 10:10:10 AM

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So I decided to use a 1 ml glass pipette to siphon off all the limonene. I'm so glad I had this tool, it took some time but got the job done, and the gravy sep was not going to effectively work imo. A larger pipette is in order.

I did four total vinegar pulls which are evaping and look like they contain sacrament. A ceremony will be the only way to know for sure how effective the starting material is.

I used 50ml vinegar for the first, and about 25 plus for the second and third, and probably 40 for a fourth pull. I used extra vinegar to clean the glasses used for transfering layers. Also, when the limonene layer became thin, I transferred into a 10ml cylinder to make it easier to suck off the layer with the pipette.

I think it might be wiser to only use 25ml at each pull so the extraction doesn't go awry, and then wash the ware with more vinegar at the end to capture anything potentially left behind. Vinegar could pull more than you want, if I understand correctly (soaps/fats) and that might be why only 25 ml pulls are described in the tek.

I'll update results as they occur. First hurdle of effectively separating layers has been overcome successfully thanks to having the little glass pipette and extra glassware. I think almost all the glassware in the house is currently dedicated to sacramental use Big grin Going to have to acquire more.
 
Elijah Phoenix
#5 Posted : 11/2/2014 8:26:19 AM

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I've been over cautious with heat throughout the whole process (fresh cactus prepped and dried at 115F; 1st vinegar pull at 145-155F) I only evaporated my first vinegar pull for about 12 hours, just to get a feel for what's what. I thought it might be ready and upon scraping it up, the vinegar bit my noseSurprised So back into the dehydrating chamber it goes at 155F. I know that I should have evaped at 155F for 24hrs and then scraped up and re-dried. But, I do like seeing for myself the process results.

The second limonene soak sat for about 24 hours (stirred occasionally), and this time I figured out how to use the french press even more effectively, by squeezing, pulling it up, pressing down again for remaining limonene drops, then removing the press and stirring with a spoon and again pressing more. This allowed me to get way more limonene out. I enjoy how each successive time brings more wisdom and effective work. I surely had thought I pressed as much limonene possible from the first soak; I was wrong.

I am excited for the second batch of limonene because of its soak time and larger recovery from the cactus material using the press.

The color of this limonene pull after adding 25ml of vinegar (spun by hand for 5mins) is different, and the vinegar is not as clear as from the first. Perhaps, and hopefully, it is saturated with more sacramental alkaloids.

I would also like to add that I think washing the additional glassware that has limonene/vinegar residue with just limonene first instead of more vinegar makes more sense; if that makes sense at all. I don't know. After spinning the vinegar/limonene in a large glass pitcher, there's quite a bit of particulate matter that adheres to the glass. I'm suspicious of this containing sacrament, and am intent on recovering all of it. So washing w/ limonene after separating vinegar makes more sense to me vs. washing with vinegar and adding to the total vinegar that must be evaped. Shocked I hope that makes sense.
 
 
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