do we have any sort of hard date about what temperature is needed for the spice to vaporize?

there is an upcoming chipset that will allow temperature setting.



I thought today, there's something that I don't believe we discussed. But vapor takes longer to metabolize than smoke so the effects are not to be expected to be immediate.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that the solution may reside in added harmalas in order to make an effective "changa juice"

Then it's up to us to make natural extracts from plants like blue lotus or passion flower and effectively produce a ready to vape hyperspace ejuice.

My experience yesterday was not even close to blasting off, but it was fairly long and pleasant. I don't believe we should expect the same results as smoked spiced.


Back to temperature control, I also believe that spice sprinkled on juiced up cotton wick will also work, when it comes to drippers. But we may want to adapt and create a specific coil build for the most effective vaporization.

See this example, with the cotton wick going through the coil and the spice sprinkled in the small space in the middle.

In regards to extracts can't we use essential oils

I've read somewhere that those can be dangerous to vape

as far as I know (which isn't that much), we want natural extracts without any diacetyl

maybe I can get in touch with people who are into making ejuice and ask them. (it may take some time)

A natural extract is essential oil, they dustill the flowers, it's a pure form, will probably need diluting

Anarchy i think im going to do what you said because I've not got that much spice, 100mg in 1/10ml, should I go with 100% vg, 100% pg or a mixture

thank you for clearing that up, I thought they were two different things, actually.

I would go with pg but only because i have not tried a mixture nor straight vg. I don't see why either would matter at this point when dripping. PG for tanks because its thinner by itself.

And i feel we should work the kinks out with this method before adding harmalas or anything else as that would just create nore issues when trying to figure out why its not working, less variables that way.

Hadoq, dmt is never smoked. In order for it to work it has to be vaporized. Combustion destroys dmt.

The reason i think dropping crystals on top of a saturated wick wont work as well is 2 things.

1) the carrier liquid will act to protect the dmt from over heating.
2) dmt tends to run from heat, not being saturated in a carrier will allow this problem more easily.

Also i have tried dripping crystals into a less than efficient drip atomizer and found that i got more vaporized pg and less dmt. Pg saturated with dmt in a 1:1 ratio and placed in the appropriate device will most likely take multiple hits to reach a point where we will feel satisfied. I recommend you guys puff tuff on your little pens to see how far you can get it to go. We cant pussy foot around here. Hopefully my rebuildable comes soon.

I understand that (like water going from ice to water to vapor), I did use the wrong word and I admit to be a newbie here.

as said above, the "dropping crystals onto a dripper wick" "method" may require a specific build as well as controlled coil temperature to ever become reliable. But as far as I'm concerned, this is the method with the best results for me.

regarding the harmalas, I agree with you, however, I like to entertain the idea. maybe for when I'll be much more experienced.

You can always vape harmalas beforehand.

Have you tried a 1:1 ratio, i cant recall if that's what you were doing or not. If not i would assume thats why this other method works better for you, anything less than that and its useless.

I think you are right, 1:1 (at least) is most likely the way to go

what bothers me is that in order to have a fair amount and being able to use and keep it around, one would need at least 5mg spice for a 10mg bottle (I could read somewhere that spice equals more or less 0.9ml in terms of volume)

that would mean one would need around 250g MHRB just for one 10ml bottle, which isn't very cost effective when it comes to ejuice

Now granted that a 1:1 ratio would be a 2/3 puffs blastoff (I can't tell whether it is or it isn't), it may be acceptable.

But that's too much money for me just to try out (I've been trying at the 1ml scale or less)


But to be honest, at that point in my "spice journey", I don't want to play around and "test the waters" anymore. So there's no point in denying the evidence that 1:1 ratio is probably, if not the way to go, but at least the way to start.

The reason why I tried sprinkling crystals on the wick is simple: I didn't have that much crystals to waste anymore to make 1ml or smaller doses with.

At this point I have a pipe (not a VG/GVG but something I can still work with) and I probably won't experiment with ejuice anymore until I have a proper DMT experience on my own.

I believe the Ejuice way is a good way, for many reasons.

The reason why I brought up harmalas to the conversation is that it may be more cost effective, in, maybe, allowing a lower spice/juice ratio. And also because I noticed that ejuice experiences were sustainable for a longer span.

I haven't tried changa yet (got what I need to make some, so that's next on my list), but from what I've read, changa ejuice seemed like an idea to effectively take advantage of this ROA (high quality extracts, high end type of juice etc...) and make it as pleasant that it could be potent.

it's probably a long way down the road until we get there, and there are surely other steps to take before, for me, of course, but also for this ROA in general.

Ya no worries. Although theres no need to waste 5g on this. I recommend people with low supplies not use anymore than 1g total.

I think with a rebuildable atty and 15watts or more this will show whether it will work or not. I want to add, my mixture is very dark now. Im not confident that dmt is stable in pg for very long so maybe short term mixtures are better.

I don't think anyone is getting a 2/3 puff "blastoff" yet with any ratio.

This is part of the problem I feel like we encounter here, and I think it's just the nature of what we are working with--Terrance said on a few occations that the danger in taking DMT is not in taking too much; it is in taking too little. Taking too little is dangerous because it tricks you into thinking you've had a full psychadelic experience when in fact you've barely scratched the surface.

Unfortunately, there is simply no way for us to objectively establish a "breakthrough" or a "blastoff" because that's just what they are--subjective experiences.

That aside, I really don't think that anyone is fully breaking through on these ecigs yet, let alone on two or three puffs.

Related to the above, my brother (and partner in these projects) has been using the pen quite a bit. He has a 1:1 ratio 50/50 vg/pg and 15 drops of "joker" hookah flavoring by Fantasia. He uses it about every night and has reported that it's potency has dramatically increased and he now "breaks through" on two puffs. Keep in mind however, he has never had a full breakthrough with any other ROA; instead he had thresholded it when I've fully blasted. But he did report some heavy findings in his two puff "breakthroughs." He has encountered entities and he reported seeing McKenna's jeweled basketballs.

I thought that I remembered reading in this thread or a similar one that someone reported an apparent increase in potency towards the end of the etank. Anyone remember where that was, or has anyone had similar findings?

Possible explanations...
-the pen vaporizes more ejuicce than spice, leaving the end of the tank more concentrated?
-a reverse tolerance affect from this ROA?

And that's about all I have to update. I have used it twice since my last posting--once I was out on a walk and had one puff. This lead me to decide that the pen is a sit down activity.

The other time I was in bed and had three solid puffs. I experienced light CEV and had a novel idea come to mind, but by morning I couldn't recall what it was; I only remembered that I'd had an idea that I didn't think would have ever come to mind without the use of the pen.

Aaaaand that's it for now.

Good info scientificmethod, hopefully with more people on board instead of the usual few this might go somewhere, im new to dmt and this is probably the method I want to use to ease myself into it, not looking for a breakthrough yet so would a 1/1 ratio be what I'm looking for

^yes. I believe that the methods described in my posts with a 1:1 ratio and a 50/50 mix of pure vg/pg should be ideal for getting your toes wet. You do need to be sure and get a duel coil tank though. I've been working with the Kanger EVOD2 and it does the job.

I started with a 2:1 mix and it was not really that effective. A 1:1 ratio is much more reliable. And for the taste, I'm having good results adding 15-20 drops of Fantasia hookah flavoring "Joker." It's kind of a grape flavor, and it comes out kind of like dymatap.

Also, after that last post I felt ridiculous for having and not using the pen, so I ventured into a little session. I was going to do 4 puffs, but then my dog came into the room and I didn't want him to interrupt me too deep and I settled for three.

Results: noticeable hypnotic feeling at one puff. Slight ringing in the ears. At two puffs (these puffs are all about 5-7 second drags--until the battery flashes and it automatically cuts) I had clear CEV and started getting this "tinkling electronic crystiline" sound that lasted all throughout the journey. At three puffs the CEV materialized into what I now refer to as the "chrysanthemum." It's a massive warping chamber, and there is always this warping object in the center. It looks a lot like Alex Grey's " Godhead" painting that is used in Tool's 10,000 Days art.

Usually the chamber is not inhabited--the meeting of entities comes later if the dose is right--but this time I cleat felt that there was a living thing at the center of the chamber.

I stayed there for about 5 minutes and then it faded. At 20-30 minutes I was back at baseline.

Cheers mate, i've got the kanger mini pro tank 2 and the vision spinner battery with adjustable voltage will that be ok, just need to get some e juice now, nice report sounds like you were on your way, maybe over 3 puffs and you might be there

ScientificMethod reporting back... Still about 10% dazed.

Firstly, yes; that setup should get the job done. If you want to do it right, order pure vg and pg from amazon. Then mix your own at a 1:1 ratio and add flavor as you see fit.

Now to get to business. I can now confirm solidly that this setup will NOT produce breakthrough effects. I just finished a 1 1/2 hour session out in the woods in which I took somewhere in the range of 35 "puffs." I puffed that baby until I couldn't puff no more. I did it all open-eye.

Absolutely did not breakthrough, but may have had one of the more pleasant afternoons I've had in quite some time. My advise to all who are on this forum--do yourself a favor and give this a go. It was wonderful.

As for breaking through though--it ain't gunna happen with this setup. So I ask of anyone who knows a bit about this ecig stuff: what do I need to do in order to get bigger, less restricted puffs? If we want to enter dimension X, we need quicker intake.

All told I probably took in 1/3 of the 1ml tank in the session.

Unrelated note: after that "ice" flavor tank has say for a week, it tastes like pinja colada mixed with new tires. Every time I let out a pull, I thought that. Made me laugh a bit.

Cheers mate I'll do that an order them seperate and mix together, hopefully some more people will chime in and get this to a stage where you can breakthrough easily and discreetly

Rebuildable atomizers like the one i posted earlier on in the thread. These will work best with mods that can reach higher wattage.

They are what cloud chasers use, people who are in it for the biggest clouds possible. They are capable of vaporizing large amounts of liquid at a time. I believe this is what we need.

yup, this is what I mean for equipment for 2/3 puffs blast off on 1:1 ratio

current extraction is promising, so maybe I'll give it another shot sooner than expected. I'm not that much afraid anymore anyway

Sounds promising, as soon as I've tried sub breakthroughs with the ecig I'll move onto a better setup that produces better vapour