Hi, as you may or may not know, I'm fairly new to hallucinogenic stuff
PRE-CONDITIONS
(mind)Set: alright, now I want to SEE stuff
(physical condition) Set: a little cold/sick, not that bad
Setting (location): My home/appartment
time of day: early evening
recent drug use: that day, pretty much nothing
last meal: not much, empty stomach

PARTICIPANT
Gender: M
body weight: 95kg
known sensitivities: /
history of use: No hallucinogenic/psychedelic experience, cannabis user (light)

BIOASSAY
Substance(s): DMT in Ejuice / Enhanced leaf (dmt+verbena)
Dose(s): about 50mg total
Method of administration: see above


EFFECTS
Administration time: T=0:00 (expand this if you used delayed administration for multiple substances or the same substance with multiple doses. Use indices.)
Duration: about half an hour total
First effects: I close my eyes, lay down, I don't know if those were visuals, rather lines in the dark, not very distinct but definitely there. Sometimes curved, sometimes spiky stuff, sometimes wavy stuff, regenerating, becoming more complexe, but kind of "embedded" in the darkness behind my eyes closed.
I could also feel my body more or less "fall" or "float" or "wanting to disappear" like my "soul" wanting to leave my body.
Definite high pitch noise, that slowly gets not really "louder" but rather "more present"
At times, my eyes got more "shut" and I could feel my eyelids starting to vibrate.
Peak: Vibrations going to the side of my head. I tried to sing a few notes and while singing, I could feel my arms and upper body kind of "vibrate" as well. CEV still pretty dark but somewhat present, sometimes slow moving/evolving, sometimes fast, sometimes wavy, sometimes spikey or "flowery".
So I decided to open my eyes, I never felt proper OEV, I watch my ceiling and it was like the patterns on it were "moving" somewhat, not very distinct but I felt the room "wanting" to disappear, like if there was something else behind its reality. I wanted to go further, but it wouldn't let me. The high pitch noise was still there and very present.
Strong body buzz but no more vibrations
Come down: pretty fast, I'm always disappointed, I want to get further now.
Baseline: about an hour later

Intensity (overall): I'd say 1 to 2, slightly to moderately

Evaluation / notes:

OPTIONAL
Pleasantness: 3 (cool high)
Implesantness: 1 (frustration, I wanted to "let go" but it didn't let me in)
Visual Intensity: 0/1
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AFTER-EFFECTS
Hangover: (0-4 ; what type of impleasantness ; duration)
Afterglow: (0-4 ; what type of positive effects ; duration)


REPORT

Hi, as you may or may not know, I'm fairly new to hallucinogenic stuff. my ROA is not good, I know that, I'm sure that the ecig route is good now, but it's still experimental.

Anyway, I decided to up the dosage from last time because now I really want to get into it, I want to have CEV and also OEV, I want to let go and immerse myself in it.

So I lay back, load up my atomizer (rebuildable dripper) with crystals and 0nic ejuice and start vaping.

I close my eyes, and man, I get this body buzz and I can "imagine" rather than see, visual patters, at first wavey, then somewhat "flowery", sometimes "spikey", no definite colors, no brightness at all, sometimes it seems it's "all in my head" like a placebo effect, but the body buzz is here and I hear or "feel" a high pitch noise in my head. Sometimes the noise is about to get overwhelming, not loud, but overwhelming.

After some more puffs I decide to open my eyes and look around me, the ceiling definitely isn't normal anymore, and it feels like the room is about to "dissolve" into something else, something deeper. in my head, I think "come on, take me now, show me what it's about!" I try and relax, smile, breathe. Puff some more and close my eyes again.

There is a definite vibration in my eyelids when I close my eyes, when I tried to sing a few notes, I could feel my body vibrate, that was very cool!

All in all, it was nice, but frustrating because I wanted more, I wanted to let go, it felt great when I could feel my "soul" wanting to leave my body behind, I wanted to go with it, but it didn't let me.


I figured, it's nice to experiment and all, but now I want a good experience, a real one. So I'm thinking about getting a vapor genie from the headshop not far, they don't have the glas version, only the "regular" one. is that a problem, can I use it anyway?

About the visuals, how come I didn't get the all "bright" and "colored" stuff, they were more like "in my head" visuals, not actual objects that I could clearly see in front of me.

Definitely overwhelming in some way, but not at all in that "in your face" way that I can read on most reports.

The body buzz is pleasant, but I could always pretty much feel my body, even tho sometimes it seemed that it was about to dissolve within the experience.

now I'm more confused than ever, to be honest.

I'd love to have you guys opinions on this.

thank you so much !

morning hadoq

your descibed effects are, for me, the very beginnings of the madness, i think your problem is definitely your ROA, from what i can gather vape pens are a bit pants, maybe they would be more useful with a solid dose of harmalas since the magic wont get metabolised as quickly and it may allow a sufficiant build up to occur. I would ditch the pen.

wooden VG is no where near as good as a GVG but obviously is much cheaper, id never bother using a VG for DMT as you cant see whats going on with the vapour flow. However if you cant afford a GVG you can get a VG and remove the ceramic filter piece and simply screw it onto the bowl of a glass bong and boooom, you have a device thats pretty much identical to a GVG at a more friendly price. now either get a flavour disc/vape pad/copper ribbon ect and place that in the bong bowl to hold your magic.

or changa in the bonga

i guarantee this will work and you will reliably be able to destroy your monkey.

thank you for your reply, so the beginning is there, that's a good start. But this is not my stop, definitely not. The experience only left me eager to go further. I wanted to let go so bad!

I'll check the head shop, maybe they can advise me on some vaporizer. I'll ask for a "glass vaporizer" for "spice", they'll probably get it.

second extraction is on its way, time to get serious now.

thank you so much for your insight



for some reason, I also believe the ecig way may need some harmalas to work (fortunately, I got myself some caapi vine )

hadoq, great man
Sounds like you've got threshhold effects this time.



Sounds very familiar. In my case i tried to reload my machine with more spice - a hard thing to do with hands shaking and stuff. This can absolutely happen. Once you have passed a certain threshhold, you get bolder as you are more "in tune" so to speak. In my experience, the first time going under can be a bit rough, but it primes you for the second lift off, which can be smoother yet more intense.

3rdI gave sound advice.
The wooden Vaporgenie has the disadvantage, that you can't see your vapor. I found it difficult to use for that reason. Biggest advantage is that it is hard to burn your spice.
What you can do is get yourself a miniature bong like this:



Only 15cm high, 10€and very portable/easy to handle. Easy to set down and use. You can either use it with changa, or put some brillo/coarse mesh steel/copper scrub down the stem (machine bong). I've had fantastic results with this kind of "machine bong". Just be careful and don't apply too much heat!

Wouldn't ask the headshop, they'd probably give you a bulb incense burner (crack pipe) which doesn't work that great.