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duely noted methoxy-subbed alks lend themselves well to separation, perhaps a solvent partition method would be more accessible for most nexians. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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ChemicalEnthusiast wrote:I can get logP and logD values as well and I can specify the pH at which the logD value is calculated. you can find those values on either chemicalize or chemspider. i like that graphical interface, it looks familiar ![](/forum/FileProxy.ashx?src=http://i.imgur.com/80hUP.jpg) "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Alright, so I ran the logD values at the pH's where the charges are -1, 0, and +1 for hordinine. pH 6.5, 9.7, 12.5 respectively. Here are the results: pH: logD Hordenine logD Gramine 6.5 -0.77 -0.68 9.7 1.65 1.88 12.5 -0.05 2.01 These results would indicate that at pH 12.5 gramine is far more soluble (~100 times) in NP solvents compared to hordenine. This makes sense because the charge of hordenine at pH 12.5 is -1 and the charge of gramine at pH 12.5 is 0. Obviously this is an estimate and doesn't apply to all NP solvents but I think it would be worth a try to separate before performing IEX. Hope this helps. ChemicalEnthusiast attached the following image(s): ![](/forum/themes/DMT-Nexus/icon_file.gif) LogD Hordenine.png (95kb) downloaded 75 time(s).![](/forum/themes/DMT-Nexus/icon_file.gif) logD Gramine.png (88kb) downloaded 75 time(s).![](/forum/themes/DMT-Nexus/icon_file.gif) pI Hordenine 0.1 increments .png (100kb) downloaded 75 time(s).
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Are all of those values found on chemicalize or chemspider? I thought they only put out literature values, not predicted values. Not sure though to be honest.
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Looks like you can't specify the pH for the logD values on chemicalize or chemspider. With just a quick look. Also, I can change the ionic strength of the solution with the software I have. Varying the concentrations of Cl- and Na+ ions.
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Would you mind sharing the name of the software you are using? Good to have you here Wiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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looks like Marvin Beans, particularly Sketch. it has pKa/pI calculation functions. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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benzyme wrote:looks like Marvin Beans, particularly Sketch. it has pKa/pI calculation functions. Yup, that was marvin sketch with the calculator plugins (I have an academic license).
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ChemicalEnthusiast wrote:benzyme wrote:looks like Marvin Beans, particularly Sketch. it has pKa/pI calculation functions. Yup, that was marvin sketch with the calculator plugins (I have an academic license). Oh cool, I actually have that on an old computer, courtesy of some pointers from benz...minus the calculator of course ![Smile](/forum/images/emoticons/smile.png) I've never had time to sit down and really dive into it. Glad there are people with much better working knowledge than I. Looking forward to your collaborations and contributions! Wiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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