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PARAFIN WAX: Defatting ACRB? Options
 
locojuiceman
#1 Posted : 9/25/2014 10:00:42 AM

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I know it's possible to defat poppy pod tea with parrafin wax so I guess the best way to find out if it will work with ACRB or anything else fatty, is to just do it.
I guess the way to do it would be like the pod tea... heat up, add wax, let melt and mix thorough, let cool, put in fridge, collect wax after solidifying and there you have it: Defatted Pod Tea.
Does anyone think it's at least feasible?
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#2 Posted : 9/25/2014 7:08:49 PM

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Should work.
This is from one of my old medical books, for inspiration.
The official method for preparing deodorized opium tincture by use of paraffin wax:
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locojuiceman
#3 Posted : 9/29/2014 4:29:53 PM

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Thanks Auxin
Thats a cool recipe from days of old, ay?
I think the only consequence there may be from using this method to defat ACRB or anything else containing spice is that the DMT Oxide is the 'goo' ..the goo as you may already know is waxy/oily ..so, that could be lost.
However, if one has ACRB in enough quantity and isn't concerned with losing the Oxide I think, in theory, that this method could clean up the whole pulling process and make it a lot easier to obtain crystals.
Hot Heptane and Hot ACRB Extract gives Good and Pure DMT pulls [[ First two are the best ]] and usually almost no oil but after getting to the last pulls [ 3 and after ] it starts to come over anyways so this parafin wax theory, which I'm going to give a try, may even clean up the last pulls [[ switching to 25/75 Heptane/Naphtha ]] which I've found are usually mostly NMT [[ Or some other mystery alk ]]
Thanx again for sharing
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#4 Posted : 10/1/2014 12:33:37 AM

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locojuiceman wrote:
Thanks Auxin
Thats a cool recipe from days of old, ay?
I think the only consequence there may be from using this method to defat ACRB or anything else containing spice is that the DMT Oxide is the 'goo' ..the goo as you may already know is waxy/oily ..so, that could be lost.
However, if one has ACRB in enough quantity and isn't concerned with losing the Oxide I think, in theory, that this method could clean up the whole pulling process and make it a lot easier to obtain crystals.
Hot Heptane and Hot ACRB Extract gives Good and Pure DMT pulls [[ First two are the best ]] and usually almost no oil but after getting to the last pulls [ 3 and after ] it starts to come over anyways so this parafin wax theory, which I'm going to give a try, may even clean up the last pulls [[ switching to 25/75 Heptane/Naphtha ]] which I've found are usually mostly NMT [[ Or some other mystery alk ]]
Thanx again for sharing
Peace!

The oily or "gooey" substance that is commonly yielded from extracting Acacia confusa rootbark is generally not DMT n-oxide. The presence of NMT is what keeps the extract from crystallizing.

Assuming you are talking about doing this wax defat on the acidic aqueous solution, the DMT and other alkaloids will be dissolved in the solution and therefore they will not be absorbed by the wax. I do not know if they would be absorbed by the wax if it were added after raising the pH of the solution, but it is possible since the freebase alkaloids would be suspended in the solution at that point rather than actually being dissolved.
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locojuiceman
#5 Posted : 10/6/2014 12:23:27 AM

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It's NOT DMT Oxide? That differs from all the other threads I've read here on the Nexus as to the Oxide being the 'Goo'.
I've also experienced powdered and very dry but not sticky in any way, a substance that fits the description in Experience-Wise, of NMT and not DMT. When Vaped it came on very slow and the colors/patterns were not crisp and clearly defined as with DMT. It was also lacking in any 'Entity' contact UNLESS a copius amount was Vaped and even then it did not compare with DMT.
The Source I obtained it from had already done many extractions on Mimosa and was tapping over and over from the same batch and that is how [[ what I assume to be ]] this 'NMT' was obtained. His FIRST tapping resulted in GREAT DMT. Very Pure with a hint of oils. He did manage to get some dried up enough to put in a baggy but even still it sticks [[ some ]] to the bag. The last tappings differed in that it looked as if it could be DMT, was VERY white and crystalline, but after Vaping, it clearly was different.It wasn't oily in any way whereas the 'Goo' I have Tried is VERY..well, like it's name implies, Oily.
I've gotten MUCH of the 'Goo' in the past and it differs from both NMT and DMT. The effects of the 'Goo' are mostly Euphoric and with quite a heavy Body-Load. Sometimes with much Anxiety, as if One is being 'Consumed' or sinking in a warm bath or even, DYING. When that happened, I could get through it by Praying, getting up and walking around, reassuring Myself I'm okay and distracting Myself with Music or getting something to drink..Doing Whatever, until it wears off,lol!
From My past research of Others Experiences and therefore by my own experiences with this 'Goo', I concluded the 'Goo' must be the Oxide of DMT.
So, anyways, My 'source' had done more Extractions and pulls of his already-been-tapped bark and obtained a white crystalline substance that I think MUST have been NMT and almost totally void of DMT. NMT has a slow onset whereas DMT hits like a ton of bricks. In MY experience anyways.
So it is interesting to have someone say that NMT is oily and also is what keeps the DMT from crystallising dry, because I'm almost SURE of it that I've had NMT in a dry [[ as can be, it stuck to the baggy a little but could easily be scrapped off ]] powdery form.
I do get crystals all the time, using [[ Hot ]] Heptane to pull with but I have to clean them up a few times [[ Again with Heptane ]] and even then it STILL has a small amount of 'sticky' to it. I find it very difficult to avoid this, no matter what solvent I use. Heptane has been the best so far in My Experience. [[ I've only been tapping ACRB so I have no experience with other sources yet ]]
This is why I thought of this Defatting step, I have seen it before in Poppy-Pod Tea Extractions so I think it MUST work for ACRB too.
You are correct in that I'm thinking of defatting the acidified extract BEFORE basing, as raising the Ph before adding the wax would most likely end up with product being absorbed,lost and most likely irretrievable. Stuck in the wax. THAT would be disastrous,lol!
I'm going to try this 'Defatting' technique with the Parrafin-Wax and I'll report back as to how the final result comes out. I think it will come out much cleaner but we shall see.
Thanks for your Input, I appreciate it very much, as I am new here as a MEMBER but I'm a years long reader.
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#6 Posted : 10/6/2014 4:08:52 AM

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Which threads have you been reading? The general consensus among Nexus members seems to be that the "goo" problem is caused by a mix of DMT/NMT. NMT on it's own will crystallize just fine, as will DMT, but for some reason (which I am unaware of) they do not like to crystallize together. Give this thread a read: "..Enough GOO questions! read this..", and keep reading through the "goo"-themed threads.

DMT n-oxide is insoluble in petroleum ether (naphtha).
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locojuiceman
#7 Posted : 10/9/2014 1:59:31 AM

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Entheogenerator - Well, I ORIGINALLY thought the 'Goo' was DMT Oxide, as I stated at the beginning of this post.
I do remember a little about the DMT/NMT not liking to form crystals together. I make mistakes. ALL the time. Methods still need tweaking and perfecting.
Now, if Naptha does NOT pull Oxide, what is being obtained then, after the initial pulls with strictly Heptane, when Naphtha is 75 % of the solvent? NMT? Thats oily stuff, is it not? Seems to me to be as there has been a lot of it in the end result with Naptha pulls.
From experiences trying the oil obtained and from the experiences read from others , they seem to be the same.
ALSO experienced was what many NMT reports have said. Slow onset, longer lasting Euphoria but short lasting,'muddy' type visuals [[ Unless Rue is predosed, which was done a few times, which significantly increased psychedelia]]
What solvent Exclusively pulls Oxides? Acetone? I'd like to know so it can be tried. I may not be a pro at this but SOMEthings being done right when consistently [[ After a few disasters/Failures, of course ]] now getting Crystals like this photo. I'll check out the informative link you shared though.
Besides all that can you answer My original question plaese? DO you think it possible to defat with Parafin Wax?
Thank you very much for your input:
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#8 Posted : 10/11/2014 5:14:18 PM

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Sure it would work, But the process would yield a mass that for most intensive purposes would hard to separate or reuse. Naptha can be reused a few times for smaller defats then separated or distilled and both clean naptha and fatty oils can be collected, Little is wasted. We use paraffin for coolant/oil mix separation in our shop, And im not sure what mechanism would be needed to reclaim both in near pure form. I have posted a similar question on Sciencemadness, Awaiting reply. Razz
 
 
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