So I've hit a bump in the road during the mini A/B of the original pulls. I acidified the pulls and added naphtha, then pulled off the naphtha containing the plant oils. I then added a strong solution of NaOH (50g/300ml) to the acidified solution. I've heated fresh naphtha and done pulls on the new solution, but the pulls seem very clear and unsaturated. More importantly, what appears to be the sweet alkaloids are still floating in the based solution. It's like the alkaloids precipitated out and now the naphtha can't dissolve them. I'm thinking maybe I'm not heating the naphtha to a hot enough temperature, but wanted to know if anyone has had this problem and solved it in a different way.

Thanks in advance for any sage advice!

Dont worry about what the pulls look like, just toss em in the freezer. Unless im missing something if its not dissolving into the solvent either your solvent its saturated or what you think is dmt is not and does not need to be worried about.

Just pull, then pull some more.

please help me

have done a new a/b extraction on MHRB, pulled with the WRONG Naptha (had zwo different Napthas at home, one with aromatic ) and let it crystalize in the freezer

after freezing and waiting for about 4 days, it smells still like aromatics.. fuck!

my plan is:

dissolve the crystals in water + vinegar to get DMT-Acetate; then, hopefully i should see the aromatics at the top of the mix to get them out?! after that,basifing and pulling with the correct naptha and freeze again..

do you think that works? or is there a better tek for cleaning crystals from wrong non-polar solvent? (maybe FASA -> freeze -> decant FASA -> ready?)

thank you Nexians!
RF

edit:
okay, i think i'm going the FASA-Way
seems to be a good method to get a clean product

Hi Animystic , no that clear naps is completely normal , it's a good sign there's no fats or oils present in the pulls , just still pre-evape before freezing , just keep mixing and seperating 4 x 5 times just like pulling from the oridganal extraction ! It will eventually give it all up !!

Hi Earthwalker,

I've done some more pulls with hot sunnyside naphtha on my defatted and based pulls. I'm still getting next to nothing when I freeze precip. Only mere milligrams. And the white precipitate is still settling in the bottom of the based solution after I'm done pulling. I'm gonna try to post a picture of the precip so you'll have a better idea of what I'm talking about. The picture is of the precip in the bottom of my based solution. Looks like the goods, but wish I could get at them!

Thanks!

I don't know what went wrong, but I will try to explain it without (too much) rambling.
I tried my very first extraction today. I followed cyb's hybrid salt tek using acrb. i followed the instruction to a t (or so I thought). When the very first pull hit the dish, it was milky white as it was supposed to be, but i got some gunk in it so i put it all back in the jar, wiped the base from the pan and tried again. This time it wasn't milky, which i didn't understand, but kept pulling anyway. Covered the dish with the lid (don't think it was air/water tight, possibly the source of my problem) and put it in the freezer. Repeated this four more time as per instructions. Freeze precip time 12+ hrs. (On a side note, I did remove the first pull after an hour and add more to it since I had limited glass baking dishes, possibly something else i did wrong. still only enough naptha to cover the bottom)

When I took it out there seemed to be a few xtals on the bottom, but most were floating in the naphtha, which i put aside to go back in the freezer. After draining and drying i was left with a small amount of sticky brown goo, that smells chemicals and flowers) I read that goo is still smokable so, i tried and it choked the hell out of me. (possibly my smoking method, I used tinfoil around a plastic bottle and slowly heated the foil...yes I'm cheap, lol) But I couldn't even inhale a little bit, it instantly had me choking. Further pulls yielded smaller amounts of the same goo, and the naptha that original had my floating xtals yielded the same SMALL amount of goo.

I was told to maybe try defatting, so i did. But the naaptha I pulled off that was completely clear, no milkiness at all, and so far nothing forming, and I used clingwrap this time to make the pans air/watertight. Tried re-xing the goo but it's the same. I don't think it is the bark since the seller I got it from had a 100% satisfied customer rating, so I don't know what else could have gone wrong. I have more acrb but i'm worried about wasting it until i find out what went wrong. Any help or suggestions would be great.

also, i still have the base, is there anything i can do to maybe "run it again" (i.e. add more vinegar, lye, etc?

Hi all

2 Days ago I started 69ron's food grade mescaline extraction. I did my first pull on friday 6 hours after adding the d-limonene to the San Pedro-cao mix
and got 40mg after salting 3 times with vinegar. My second pull 12 hours later yielded 117mg, my third pull is currently in the dehydrator so will probably
be ready tonight... I tried this tech two times last year and got unusually low yields as well.

I know it's not the cactus as 12g of this particular batch is enough for a nice strong journey... After lots of googleing I came across a few threads that
mentioned that most store bought vinegar has lots of impurities which can lead to low yields. If I have low quality vinegar could salting 4-5 times instead
of 3 yield more? I remember reading Q2121's food safe DMT tech where he added a shot of water to the d-limonene after salting with vinegar, I googled some
more and read somewhere that mescaline acetate is soluable in water.

So I added 40ml of water to the d-limonene separated and added the water to the vinegar after salting 3 times during the last pull which is currently drying,
could this help?
Does anyone have any other ideas I could try? I don't want to use HCL at all.

Thanks

So you had you're original nps then mixed with ph -4 water , mix & separate x 5-6 , then decant old nps !
Re basify water to ph 12+ then pull with fresh nps !! If this Is this what you did I can't explain what is happening here ??

You don't need a separate dish for every pull. Put all your pulls in the same dish and freeze it all.

Goo is what most people get out of ACRB. If you want crystals, search the forum for methods that may help achieve this. This can be complicated though.

The choking is a result of improper smoking technique and burnt spice. Improve your smoking technique, or get a better smoking device (foil is terrible, it burns the spice) or make enhanced leaf or changa.

Good luck and search and browse the forum a bit for tips and answers. Many people have been where you are now. Many questions have already been answered.

Maybe youre getting next to nothing because your pulls arent saturated enough? I' d get all the naphtha pulls from the mini-A/B together, evap them down till there's only a little left (like maybe a fifth of current volume or something) and then freeze again.

Regarding the white stuff that appeared on your basified solution, can you manually separate it from the basified solution? If you could, I' d try adding that to a small container and separately try to dissolve in warm naphtha..

Do report back!

Hmm I wonder what ' impurities' people claim result in low yields, and how did they get to that conclusion.. I doubt it but anyways.. Can you read the label of your vinegar and tell us whats there?

How much cactus are you extracting from ? I' d keep pulling from the cactus and see what you get, it might be there' s still the goodies trapped in the plant matter. The fact that the second pull yielded more than the first is an indication of that.. I wonder whats gonna come out of the third pull

Also im curious how well you are mixing each pull before separating the solvent.

Doing a water wash after salting the solvent and adding that water to the rest of the vinegar to be evaporated certainly wont hurt, it will just be more liquid to evaporate. I think most of the mescaline should come out in the first salting or two but it wont hurt to try doing 4-5 times instead... again, just more liquid to evaporate.

Keep us updated!

loraform, your smoking method is most likely the culprit for your issues with how harsh it is. Look into gvg alternatives such as the green buddha pipe or others that people have been building here, its relatively cheap and should be waaaay better than your current method.

OMG, this image! This is what happened to me, too. It's exactly like this.

I have no idea what this is , I'm at a total loss for words !

If it was dmt it would be soluble in the naps pulls !! Do what Endlessness surgested manually seperate then dry , stranger things have happened !

I've tried pulling again, but to no avail. I will now try to manually separate the precipitate and dissolve in naphtha. The bottle smells strongly of spice, so I know there's some goodies in there. I'm not giving up without a fight! I'll report what happens. Also beginning a new extraction. Might just stick with my friend "the goo" this time!

Hi everyone, thanks for the site it's been plenty resourceful. I in the middle of my first extraction attempt, following Q21Q21's "Tek 2: The Fluffy White Funfest". I mixed 100g mimossa hostilis powdered bark with 100 ml white vinegar followed by 100ml near boiling water. Once mixed i added 75g mrs wages pickling lime and once mixed and at a semi moiat consistency i added 100ml naptha, while being indirectly heated by a larger bowl underneath the products. After 10 mins of heated I tried to pour out naptha but it seems to have absorbed into the root bark, which the tek said wouldn't happen. Any ideas on where I went wrong? Was my product too dry causing the naptha to be aabsorbed? Any quick feedback would be appreciated thank you. Also any advice on salvaging this extraction would be appreciated.

Edit: I tried adding 75 more ml of naptha too it while adding boiling water to bottom container and the root bark just absorbed the Ronsonol lighter fuel up again.

Mitraj,

I have not done the Q21Q21 tek, so I might not be much help. It sounds like your mixture was indeed too dry but I cannot be sure.

One thing you could try is adding more water, possibly with more base. You could probably get it to a liquid consistency that might help the naphtha separate from the bark/water mixture. If it's still very mixed in, let it sit for a few hours or overnight.

Poured away most of the basic solution, and saved this much. I'm going to remove even more when white stuff settles down.

If this is not DMT...I don't know what it could be.

OK, regarding this white stuff, drop some science on me, fellow Nexians.

Can this white stuff be sodium acetate by any chance?