Hi, the more I read about it, the more I think changa may be the way to go for me as a first DMT user and also a first psychedelics user.

However I have some questions about it, some concerns as well

let's start with the technical

I may get anywhere between 600mg and 1g of crystals (best case scenario, a little more)
which would probably grant me a decent amount of smoked dose, seeing that I intended to start very slow, like 10mg then up by 5mg as I feel better about it

my first question is, would I get a similar "amount of doses" should I decide to turn my crystals into changa?

How difficult is it to make, I've read some tutorials but it looks a bit hard
how long does it take? it seems to me that it takes days/weeks to get a useable product

I'm impatient in nature, but maybe making changa, dealing with the wait and the work would help me "connect" a little bit with both the plant/molecule and the experience itself.
Giving the effort of work and patience may also be good for me, to approach the experience with respect and reverence.

How does one smoke Changa, can I just use it like cannabis and roll a big one, mix with tobacco and whatnot? that would be ideal I should say.

thanks for your patience in answering my questions

much love

i would definately advise infused herb or changa as it gives easy access to the madness, vaping crystals can be finicky whereas loading a bong and puffing tuff is easy as pie.

if you want to improve your patience even more then get cracking with the search function, all the questions you have asked have been answered many times on the forum.

with regards to infused herb/changa you could start here and here and here and here, everything you ever wanted to know about making herbs magical

thank you

of course I did already a bit of reading, but as said yesterday, I must admit I enjoy forums for the exchange and connection, less so as databases. However they work beautifully at both

no worries.

I'd highly suggest to try both.
Freebase is very explosive, very visual and short lasting.
Changa is gentler, slower comeup and lasts around three times as long.
Some people suggest to try Changa first. I don't think that is a necessity if you are starting with small doses.

Try both and see what you find more beneficial. I'd start with classic freebase, but that is ME. My weird psyche finds shock & awe appealing

600mg to 1g is plenty.

If you get to the freebase crystals, enhanced leaf is only 1 simple step away. You take the crystals and dissolve into a solvent, I'd recommend acetone because it evaporates very fast and also can dissolve harmalas for making changa. Then mix in a ratio of leaf material and let the acetone evaporate. As it dries, the dmt will be glazed on the leaf material, you want to get it as evenly distributed as you can. Scrape it up and let dry for a day, then good to go!

You'd get about the same amount of doses if you made changa out of your crystals, though you inevitably lose a bit during the process. Smoking the freebase alone is pretty inefficient unless you have a vaporizer. But ~50mg can still do the job fine with proper smoking technique. The freebase experience is incredible though and shouldn't be neglected.

Changa is more forgiving and gentle. Some people like to smoke their changa over a period of time to build up the effects. A session could have multiple doses as you repack the bowl with more changa. If you took 1g of crystals and 1g of leaf, that's a standard 1:1 changa ratio. You'd pack 100mg of that for one (50mg) "dose". Comes out to ~20 doses, same as if you smoked it freebase.

And yea, a changa blunt is great! It's the perfect casual speed to take hits off and pass around. Was one of the only methods I've seen work to get a group of people on the same level at the same time. You'd obv have to pack several doses worth or spliff it with some cannabis. I've never used tobacco with it... i'm not sure how well the effects complement each other, if at all.

alright, I somewhat understood a few things, but there are some other things that I don't quite get.

first off, thank you for your replies, they have been very helpful


now, it's about Changa vs EL, what is the difference?

I'm pretty sure, for changa, I'd better make another order of various plants in order to do it right

How about EL?

it'd be nice if I didn't have to buy extra stuff (even tho, I don't really mind that much, that's basically the impatience talking) and prepare any of those with something I can easily find either at home or at least around.

to be honest, I got my MHRB right there with me now, but yesterday I felt I was too enthusiastic and I had to take a step back. Sleep on it, don't think about it as much, and just relax.

I still want to go for it, maybe I'll just wait some more.

Right now, I'll probably extract the crystals over the weekend, see what I end up with.

then, I'll see what I do with em. I'll probably try 10mg freebase, see how it is, then I'll decide.

but I kinda like the "changa" route, maybe the EL route too, what's the difference?

I like the idea to have something that also smells and tastes nice.
I also like the idea to work with my product, connect with it a little rather than just use it like some "drug".

Enhanced leaf- herb+Magic
Changa- herb+Magic+Harmala

Enhanced leaf is just a convinient way to smoke it. With harmalas it is another thing altogether. But you are overthinking it. Just extract your dmt, find a quiet spot, load up your smoking device (do you have one ?) and there you go!

If your herbal smoking blend contains maoi/harmaloids it is changa. If not it is just enhanced leaf. The MAOI in changa is usually intoroduced by -
1. using caapi leaves (or sometimes vine?) in the blend,
2. making concentrated caapi leaves (search the forum for the erroneously named '10x' caapi for info on this) and using those, or
3. extract rue or caapi and infuse your blend with the resulting freebase alkaloids.

Have fun but as other said I would try plain ole enhanced leaf first before diving into ChangaLand.

I've always felt changa is a fantastic method of smoking and I enjoy it en par with freebase. I would recommend putting it on plant matter that you already enjoy, or mix it with multiple plants.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=26480
Heres one recipe from Purges.

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Changa
Changa resource page.

Hi, I don't have any of the leaves mentionned (I can probably order some online)

so I guess, for now I'll probably do the extraction asap, see what I can come up with and experiment a little

is there any easy to obtain leave that I can use to make EL, (can I "infuse" it with cannabis for exemple, or stuff like mint leaves and whatnot?)

I'll probably experiment with ejuice and a single coil dripping atomizer (will try 10mg in a couple drops, I can probably take this in one take fairly easily)

you guys have been so helpful, I can't thank you enough

Hadoq keep me informed on how you get on with the e juice, and how exactly you go about doing it, don't fully understand the method or if it works but would be something I'd be interested in

Of course you can infuse plant materials of all kinds with DMT. Lapacho/Pau D'arco has proven to be a good one. I'd rather go this route than fiddling with a smoking method that has yet to prove itself as efficient (electronic cigarettes). Best homemade vaporizer is a "machine bong" imho. Easy to make if you already own a bong, look it up. Enhanced Leaf also works nicely, but you have to inhale the plant material as well, so it might be a bit harder to get a full toke.

Enahnced leaf rolled into a cigarette is not recommended, since you won't get in enough before the effects wear off. Changa is a different beast because it lasts longer and the comeup is slower.

So a bong would be highly recommended. Either way, make sure not to light it up full blast. It's best to light up a small bit of the plant material, and then allow the rest of it to go up in flames by sucking on your smoking device. The idea is to let the gleaming plant material vaporize the DMT.

will definitely do, the first trial, hopefully tomorrow, will be trying to get 10mg DMT into a couple of drops, then drip on a dripping atomizer (the kind where you drip liquid directly only a cotton wick, no tank involved)

there will be pictures also and detailed info on what I do, and the results I get

I'll probably try and get my hands on peppermint today, see how this turns out.

extract is happening today with that hybrid/salt tek, hopefully will end up with 1g-ish, so enough to experiment with, regarding that I ain't aiming for breakthrough, rather test the waters first.

I remember regretting ordering peppermint for changa, btw. When you have an ounce of it in your hands, it smells very strong. Some may prefer it to mask the taste of what they're smoking maybe, but for me even a little was overpowering and tasted like smoking a menthol cig.

The plant I've seen people like most besides caapi leaves is blue lotus flowers. They seem to have such a relaxing effect that a couple friends even smoke it on its own now. Has pleasant but much more subtle taste.

Cant wait for the pictures and detailed plan hadoq hope it all goes well

just found Verbena officinalis, I've read that it can be smoked (and is, actually)
maybe I'll try EL with that

started to grind my shredded MHRB, I'll keep going tomorrow

Alright so, guys and gals, I kinda need your help.

First off, I did get some
Banisteriopsis caapi (shredded vine, couldn't get leaves), Passion flower and blue lotus
will I be able to do something with those? or am I missing something?

I've read most tutorials and whatnot, I am fairly comfortable with english, usually, but it's not my native language and maybe that's my problem here.

So the more I read about changa, the more confused I get.

Sometimes I read/understand that harmine/harmaline have to be extracted. Sometimes, I read/understand that they don't.

My other question/concern/thing I don't seem to understand
I don't have much crystals (around 2g when I'm done with my next extract). While freebase wise, 2g represent a fair amount of doses (probably more than I'll ever need).
I can't quite get the changa ratio down, is it 1:1 as I read somewhere (crystals/plant material), or 25% as I could have read in another thread.

I rather believe my understanding is too limited to really get it

So, I know that's a long shot, I know that's a lot that I'm asking, but is there any way someone would walk me through each steps for transforming

- 50g Banisteriopsis caapi Shreeded vine
- 20g Blue Lotus flower
- 100g Passion flower
- 2g crystals

into whatever amount of mild "psychedelic beginner friendly" changa I can get from it? if any? (I really am under the impression that I'm missing something)

this board already had been extremely helpful, thank you for everything

hello hadoq,

right then, what makes it Changa is the presence of harmalas, so technically i guess any amount of harmalas in the mix could be considered Changa, ie if you were to infuse plain Caapi leaf it would be Changa because there is the presence of harmalas.

Many say that you have to add extracted harmalas or use 10x Caapi to feel effect from the harmalas but some say that they get the effects without. This may depend on how sensitive you are to harmalas.

you can use blue lotus as a base, im not sure about passion flower as i have never used it. I find that the best base for Changa is a herb that is a bit fluffy, like mullein.

The ratio is the tricky bit since its personal preference. As a base i would always use a Magic to herb ratio of 1:1 and then add harmalas from there. Since you only have a small amount of Magic it will be difficult for you to learn by trial and error.

before you make the Changa it might be worth getting some harmalas extracted and then vape different amounts to see the effects and then add the amount you are happy with to your Changa.

process-

caapi- use the gibran2 tek to extract the goodies
herb- brake the lotus and passion flower into a nice consistency
Magic- sit in awe of its glory

now take your harmalas and Magic and dump them in some warm IPA and stir, then chuck in your herbs and stir now and again until all the solvent has evaped. Dont smoalk it untill all the solvent smell is gone

BBOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM, Changa baby

i dont think you are missing anything, its quite a simple process its just a little daunting if you havnt done it before. im sure in no time you will be making Changa with the best of them

good luck and show us ya blend when its done.