I recently did a harvest of some MHRB, first pull yielded 700mg of very clean spice. I tried it for activity but.. I only got a mild body buzz. I cleaned it up and tried it again, same effect. I waited an hour and tried a heavy vape, 60mg.

I vaped this in 1 hit which I felt very immediately. I was expecting to develop lizard scales and observe my room become a very different place. I instead was greeted with the full physical experience of the trip. Yet, no visuals, nothing, I had the out of body feeling, yet no visuals. It was extremely different, highly meditative, but visually insignificant.

Now the second yield from that batch is by far the most highly active spice I've ever had. EXTREME visuals, maddening full out of body exploration, so mind blowing you have no clue what in god's great earth what is real what isn't mind exploding spice.

The two batches each always repeat their certain.. qualities. They're both very heavy hitters, each capable of kicking your rump by the count of 3. Let there be no mistake the first batch is as highly potent as the second. But there are no visuals to be had.

Whenever I vape this first batch, I feel my life is in review and I understand what needs to be fixes, I become very motivated to take action as well. Afterward I feel as though every atom of my being is exploding with a happy energy. Yet the whole time, I stare only into the grey. I think this batch is a rare blessing, and will sparingly use it to meditate in times of stress or confusion.

Has anyone else had a very specific extraction come out this way? It gives wvery feeling of DMT yet it's a different experience 100%.

Wow this is interesting.... I can't say that I've ever had this happen but it doesn't seem to be mental if it exhibits this quality every time. You should do a double blind test on some friends and report what happens to them I really wonder what would make it do that... Your description sounds like a 5-MeO experience.

But then again, 60mg of 5-MeO would be way way way too much.

a big factor to consider here in regards to the lack of visual activity is your vaporisation method.. what was your route of administration?

First of all, thank you for your timely responses!

Vaporization method wouldn't be the cause, the spice hit very hard very fast. I sandwich it in ash using a prewarmed steamroller pipe. You will be completely incompacitated before you can count to 10. Same methods, same results/same time frame. 1 visual and insane, the other not visual, but deeply reflective in nature.

My friend experienced the same thing and was highly disappointed
but I feel it's a different spice for a different (and I am greatful or it) purpose.

Also I don't believe there could be a percieved mental difference, I've vaped 50mg DMT using this method without any missfires. And let me tell you:

You are going for a trip weather or not you want to, weather your eyes are open or closed, sitting or laying. The very moment you release the carb it is too late. You had better of packed your bags!

It was very comparable to intensity and sheer force of power as an IM injection. YOU DO NOT GET A CHOICE. The intensity of my last trip this route was so ungodly powerful and earth shattering, trust me, I was ready for it to end before I even got started. Hyperspace was around me no matter what I did.

I was blessed with the ability to open my eyes, my whereabouts were a foreign place. I sat upright contantly telling myself it will be over soon for the duration of the trip. I wasn't entirely sure if it was real or not.

Vape method is fine, I can assure you.

I can't say I've ever had a DMT experience which wasn't "extremely strange"...

So your saying that 2 subsequent pulls yielded 2 different version of DMT from the same batch? You do understand the problem here right?

Id like to know how many times you have dosed both pulls separately with the same effect. Either there is something wrong with your first pull (contamination) or your smoking method is off or its subjective due to bias from your first toke. There is no "special" version of dmt. Its just dmt.

Obviously. I've dosed at least 6 of each. I've cleaned up contamination quite a but and I've lost quite a bit of product in the process. The only thing I could really do is go 1 of 2 routes.

Separate with chromotography, or maybe oxidize it and clean it up as a reverse salute.

Or..

Mix the two batches to cast aside any bias. But I do feel one is different in composition from the other. I could submit it for testing but I could care less, I'm happy with it.

I just thought it was weird in a cool way. I'm happy to have this batch, and thought I'd share.

P.S.

Shotgunning 50mg DMT vapor leaves no room for mental bias. In 10 seconds I'm in another dimension with no memory of how I got there.

Just from my own experience a dose that size in a gvg gives you like 3 seconds in your body before your completely gone.

What tek did you use and im guessing you sandwich, what herbs do you sandwich it with.

Many members have had strange things like that happen with the same dose size and batch that produces normal dmt experiences.

Yeah 3 seconds is about right. I've managed to count higher but how fast reality drops out fro, underneath you, I count to 3-5. I've always regretted counting higher because I'm not laying down resting when the trip begins. The experience I find is a little different.

I'll draw a diagram of how I load my pipe:

Ash
Ash
Ash
DMT
Pipe Screen
Ash
Pipe Screen
Pipe Screen

I hold the lighter about 1.5cm above the top layer of ash. It warms up quickly but not too quickly. I also preheat the pipe so it's warm, but not too warm. Just to prevent the vapor from condensing.

I've had out of body experiences off 20mg with this thing. Since tolerance begins at 40 sec give or take, it's better to vape in 1 hit and hold onto dear life for as long as possible. 50mg is basically a bullet to the head.

Even this stranger batch of DMT is just as powerful and sudden as a bullet to the head. I'm wondering if the conditions for the first extraction were off or something. Maybe it's denatured, some other alkaloid causing troubles.. hell maybe even my diet.

I dunno, I like the experience, it's traumatizing --and-that's an understatement but the trip is so reflective and ego smashing in it's nature that I'll just hang onto it.

Edit: I also spend a lot of time meticulously loading the pipe. The ash must be perfect and fine, evenly layered. Exactly as much as needed. It's all very ritualistic to me.

I use something of my own tech. I'm not the only one who has had a difficult flight with it. I gave some to a mate who complained about the same things I experiences. I gave him some of my secondary batch and he was wizard fighting a clock.

Maybe I denatured it in heating, who knows. I sonicate the batch, then later I heat it under agitation. Second batch came out and is a force to be reckoned with. The plant I use really has no 5methoxy, even still 5MeO isn't all too soluable in my solvent.

My solvent is extremely well mixed and settled in a centrifuge, then pipetted into a sep for further work.

I vac distill my primary/secondary solvents so not much is wasted on either end.

I've always wound up with very potent spice and very great yields. I'm not sure what could be the adulterant/cause. If it's a mental bias (despite my own belief) then whatever, I'd rather not ruin the magic

Hmm, interesting. Have you experimented with lower doses? Iirc nmt is in mhrb, in small amounts though. Maybe its possible i dunno.

Could be, I'll have to read up on NMT effects, and it's chemistry. Small 20mg doses provide not much more than a heavy body rush/euphoria. 20-25mg DMT is enough for a ~7min breakthrough.

My journeys with 50mg DMT aren't a breakthrough but a 15-20min immersion into a whole other place. I literally forget I'm tripping.

Either way, I'll smoke it. But not because I plan on going to hyperspace. Although I should mentally prepare myself. ..just ..in ..case.