Please define "high dose".

4-5 grams is typically considered a strong dose

Please define "high dose".



I read reports of people describing a psychedelic experiences they got from smoking banana peals. Does this make them a psychedelic?




So...we agree that darkness meditation alone can give a visionary experience?



What does powerful mean? Is the experience still powerfull in daylight? If not, I'd like to say that it isn't powerful.

Do we agree that psychedlic substances cause hallucinations no matter if there's light or darkness if the dose is high enough?



GOD said

Would you consider 20 gramms a mild dose?

Can we please define the difference between visionary and psychedelic/hallucinogenic?

I'm always blown away by the effects that people report from doses that (to me) seem rather small. More and more I'm realizing that I'm a complete outlier with regards to my required doses. I have given my gf 200mg of harmalas extracted from rue on a regular basis for a month or two to help with PTSI, to wonderful effect. The one time I bumped her up to 225mg, she said it was a bit much and got some nausea from it, but otherwise, there were nothing but positive effects according to her.

For me, 200mgs or less is essentially a subconscious dose. It will have mental effects and soothes/relaxes me without any truly noticeable acute effects. From 250-300mg I will feel some very minor "floating" and "stoning" effects, not all that unlike effects from certain strains of cannabis, however, there is no mental fog. In addition, I usually have a general sense of well-being/comfort and feel fairly relaxed, perhaps even slightly sedated.

Between 300-400mg, depending on what I've eaten, if I've exercised and perhaps other factors of that day, I find that the aforementioned effects are enhanced significantly and a level of physical drunkenness begins to set in. Nausea sets in somewhere between 350-400mg, but is barely noticeable and comes in waves, if at all.

From 400-450mg, nausea is common although not overwhelming. Any purging is self-induced and tends to yield little to nothing (depending on what I've eaten, obviously...but the reflex does not feel very "deep" ). I have tracers and undeniable physical drunkenness along with yawning, difficulty reading or focusing on fine motor tasks but am overall functional and have gone out and done manual labor and other activities at this dose.

500-700mg ????

I have dosed myself in the 700-900mg range perhaps 3-4 times, mostly owing to my own forgetfulness when taking pre-measured capsules or dosing before getting a couple hours of sleep and then dosing again after waking up. These experiences have been full blown psychedelic experiences with subtle, yet full visual-field tracers/visuals, near-complete lack of fine motor control, incredibly diminished muscle coordination, full-on repeated purging (on one occasion from both ends), continual yawning, strong auditory hallucinations, dizziness, cramps and the most serene feelings of bliss, joy and well-being once it was all over, in at least 2 cases lasting several days (with one case lasting over a week). I do not recommend or advise taking these doses and cannot imagine what ridiculousness would ensue if any admixture was taken. In reading some of the older ethnobotanical literature that claims that harmalas are not psychedelic by themselves, I can only assume that the researchers in question did not take high enough doses to experience the acute effects that can be induced.

I slowly worked up from 3 gramms to 20 gramms on different ocasions in silence and darkness and nothing happened except a little aprehension .

Yea watermelons good. My favorite thing on mushrooms is oranges, Or maybe a mango

LSD is metabolized in the liver. The enzyme involved is unknown, but is probably one of the P-450 cytochromes. Cytochrome P-450 3A4 is significantly inhibited by grapefruit juice. Note the drug interaction warnings ! There may be a similar effect on LSD breakdown. This article claims that Oranges have a similar, but less pronounced, effect.
Acids, such as Vitamin C or citric acid, also affect the rate at which some drugs are absorbed. If the drug happens to be psychotropic, this can alter the users perception of the drug's actions.

"What in your opinion was opinion in what i said please ?"

Exactly what you said in your previous post, that DMT experience is a hallucination, and "not real". I respect that opinion, but as long as you state it as an opinion, not a fact. Once you go convincing me about that, while you, in fact, don't truly know what the heck is going on, I have a problem with you. Read the attitude page once again.

I think I should stop here, before this thread go into abyss. Have a nice day.

I'd like to chime in, to confirm, if you start using harmalas, or rue seeds by its own, you can have visuals - and detailed ones, even in daylight (with closed eyes maybe) but these visuals aren't as colorful or geometric as DMT, mushrooms, LSD or mescaline etc..
If I recall well the dose was 400mg FB harmalas. The main reason why it's not very popular is the -sometimes extreme- nausea and motion sickness higher harmalas doses induce.

Seriously... are we REALLY entertaining the MYTH that hallucinogens don't cause 'hallucinations', but rather real manifestations of some kind?

Seeing as we can't even prove waking reality is "real" in an objective sense (and have numerous threads that demonstrate just how contentious such discussions become), this statement is rather absurd.

This kind of nihilism seems self defeating to me. But, even so, if we can't even prove that waking reality is really 'real' why is it then absurd to suggest that DMT visions are also not really real?

Seriously... are we REALLY entertaining the MYTH that hallucinogens don't cause 'hallucinations', but rather real manifestations of some kind?

Nihilism? Hardly.

at this point, I'd recommend anyone unfamiliar with gibran2's improbability of hyperspace threads to take a read.