A longtime searcher of a way to contact the goetia (I've only contacted one once, didnt end so well because he felt like he didnt want to talk), has lead me to this way to travel to them. While my interest is in more than just goetic spirits (I've talked to many other spirits), it would be nice, and good practise, for me to be able to talk to them by my own means, instead of using a medium to talk to them (gf can see spirits). I've talked to them on plenty occations, just not by myself tho.

The Self transforming machine elves... have they been known as anything else? has anyone asked? meditation has only taken me so far.

I'ld love to talk to people in SE QLD.... nice to be in a group of like minded individuals.

Many questions, does anyone have an answer?

whats a goetia?

you might want to google the word goetia. 72 "demons" that solomon apparently hid.

Many people perceive the Goetia as symbolic representation of the mind or subconscious split up into many different parts.

For instance calling on a Goetic spirit would result in tapping into a very specific part of your own psyche and resonating with it as if it were a standalone presence.



Its my opinion that using psychoactive drugs for an egotistical agenda (like attempting ethereal contact) is going to damage your intellect and upset your personal rate of maturity.

That depends... have you talked to spirits? what experience have you had with Self transforming machine elves? Even if they are aspects of your psyche, being able to communicate with them would be quite benificial.

From my experiences with them, they are VERY seperate.

Has anyone had ANY contact with anything? seems to be a lot of DMT fans, and not alot of DMT players.

Why would you think so?

I think the beings entities or whatever that we contact during an altered state could be a number of things...extra-dimensional aliens..dead people/beings..archetypal figures of some sort..aspects of the individual psyche..our future selves..who knows?

I try to remain open ended in my opinions of what these things are.. since the experience always poses more questions than anwsers.

Hell it could be all of the above and more that are opened up in the psyche during the tryptamine trance. I feel that eventually humans will understand.

Never gone into a trip with the intent of contacting a certain entity tho, I just let it show me what it wants to show me.

From what I've read (and I havent read much) these STME's sound like they're quite simple, and I've read similar by robert monroe about astral traveling. for them its more like playing.

I need to find a good source of dmt and find out myself! I'm in brisbane, Australia, and I'm kinda figuring about the easiest source might be Queensland silver wattle. Looks like I have to do some exploring!

I think you'll find that most "authors" tend to exaggerate their experiences and/or tailor their story telling to their intended audience. But then sometimes the experience can seem so real - the best way is to try for yourself.

If you have access to a quantity of silver wattle then by all means go for it.

NB I would also leave the Crowley-esque notions of Goetia type beings to the uninitiated - Entities are what the are, not what you expect them to be.

Hello, I to seek the answers of the unknown . when I first found the goetia I was very attracted to them but, especially one in particular - BARBATOS - this entity is very important to me and has lead me through the struggle of awareness. Communication (for me)
with BARBATOS is done through telepathy. It does take some time to separate its thoughts from your own but, you will find that, in time, if you listen to what is being said and actually follow through on what is asked, you will get what you want.

My life has improved significantly since I became aware of the presence of BARBATOS

Now I seek people to perform the Bornless ritual as a group , I've also included PAPA LIMBA and Loa that come forth to help the cause .

Ive been lead to others as well such as ASTAROTH and believe it or not LILITH (included separately) we have a special bond.

It is important that a group of like minded people come together to seek answers and share our thoughts ..72 perhaps?

but aside from that, if you want answers I might be able to help.

In my personal experience, the Goetic spirits are not to be trifled with. Of course it's possible, as others have suggested, that they could just represent parts of the human mind, or something like that, but it is my belief that they are actual external entities, and not benevolent ones. Play with fire and you most likely will get burned.

As far as their relationship to psychedelics, I don't know, but ayahuasca was helpful to me in exorcising their lingering presence.

I wish to sometime interact with them machine elves. Their mere appearance intrigues me.


They're commonly known or "tagged" as STS (service to self) spirits. They most likely won't do stuff in "good will" but through barter. I don't see them as "good" as well, yet I tolerate their presence so long they don't interfere with me.

I have experience with demons of Goetia.

In Dictinonnaire Infernal and Pseudomonarchia Daemonum, they're portrayed as horrific monsters. This is, however relative. It all depends on how you approach them. If you approach with intent to "control them", they will appear as monsters. If you approach them with utmost respect, they appear humanoid, and they are beautiful. And they're not intrinsically evil. That is also relative.

Are they representation of ones own psyche, or something external, I don't know.