Hello everyone, it's my first post here on DMT-Nexus

My story with psychedelics began when I was 18, and my first really psychedelic experience was on MG seeds. Although it was a terrible bad trip I’ve always had a great sentiment to this substance since then. Now almost 10 years have passed with plenty better trips on various psychedelics behind but it’s getting more and more difficult to get mushrooms or acid in the city I live in. And that’s where the idea of returning to LSA came from – it’s still legal and easy to buy in my country. Unfortunately the HBWRs were delegalised few years ago…

In t his thread I'd like to present and discuss my TEK to extract LSA from the MG seeds. It's still in theory as I haven't performed it yet, but I plan to do this soon. I already have the necessary solvents and hardware.
The inspiration for it was KASH’s Advanced LSA Extraction and a honey oil butane hash extraction method. And a great urge to get rid of the bad taste and nausea that MG and HBWR always gave me.

We will need:
1. MG seeds (eg. 12g)
2. A lighter gas refill can (eg. RONSON) – 1 can
3. Acetone (99,9 pure) – at least 150ml
4. Distilled water, pre-boiled, cold – around 50ml
5. Coffee grinder
6. Extraction pipe with a stand
7. Bicycle pump
8. Shallow glass container (for evaporating)
9. A small glass container for the final product

So, the TEK would look something like this (for example a 12g dose):
1. Pulverize the seeds in a coffee grinder
2. Put the powder into a 1/2" extraction pipe (a picture below below)
3. Prepare a shallow glass container, put the butane can to the upper side of the pipe and let the gas flush through the pipe and drop into the glass container. It will evaporate almost immediately leaving the fatty, unwanted stuff on the glass container. You don't need to use the whole can, maybe some 50ml or so?
4. Pour the powder out, let the rest of butane evaporate so that there is no smell of it at all
5. Seal the pipe with a cap and an o-ring seal at its bottom, pour the powder again into the pipe
6. Add 50ml of acetone (99,9% pure), seal the top of it
7. Shake well, put into the fridge for some 2-3 hours, repeat shaking every 15-20 minutes.
8. Change the fittings – the filter at the bottom, the valve at the top – filter the solution into a glass container, cover it with foil to prevent early evaporation, change the fittings again (forced filtration described below)
9. Repeat steps 6-8 at least two times. You will end up with at least 150 ml acetone solution
10. Let the solution evaporate to dryness (no acetone smell)
11. Quickly add some 50ml (maybe even less) of distilled, pre-boiled, cold water and shake well to dissolve all the residues into a clear solution
12. You can add few drops of peppermint oil if You ‘re into LSH conversion and wait some 20 minutes before consumption

As I presume, this won’t be too pure extract but I hope it to be nausea-free. The main advantage of it should be its quantity (about 50ml water solution for one shot). This is for those who really don’t like the taste of MG seeds. Another advantage for me is that almost only one container (the extraction pipe) is used through the whole process.
If this TEK prove successful I will be thinking of developing it a bit. That is additional A/B phase or making condensed alcohol tincture for storing the extract for a longer period of time.

And here’s the picture of my hardware presented in different phases of the TEK, additionally I have a stand for it, not to need to hold it all the time – especially in the butane phase when the pipe literally freezes and the forced filtration phase.



FORCED FILTRATION:
I came up with the idea of forced filtration to speed up the process. The device I made is fairly simple. At the top of the pipe I have a cap with an air valve installed on it (sealed with fluid rubber/fluid wire insulation) – a typical valve taken from a bike tube. I screw the cap onto the pipe, attach a bicycle pump to the valve and pump it slowly. The pressure forces the solution to go through the filter much faster than normally.

The questions:
1. Is it wise to perform the defatting stage (butane) before any other (the acetone solution in this instance) ? Wouldn’t it waste some of the wanted alkaloids?
2. Is a forced filtration a wise thing? It will speed up the filtration for sure. But the question is if it wouldn’t reduce the quality of filtration.

Feel free to comment, share Your thoughts, correct any of my assumptions and to try this TEK. As I wrote in the beginning – it’s still in theory. As soon as I try it myself, I’ll share my observations with You too.

Well, looks like nobody replied on my thread

Anyway, SWIM finally found time to try the TEK. Last Saturday SWIM took 7.5 g of seeds, ground them in coffee grinder and performed all the steps. Everything seemed simple in theory but some problems occurred...

Filter was made of one layer of paper towel, one layer of cotton pad and another layer of paper towel. During the third step some leakages occurred, from upper and bottom cap, it wasn't very problematic though. The filter seemed maybe too resistant.
Butane was collected in shallow glass jar, after it evaporated SWIM noticed few small drops of fluid. It looked like defatting was successful.

Step 4 was skipped, acetone was added after butane stopped leaking out of the extraction pipe and there was no smell of it. When SWIM was shaking the pipe small leakages occurred again - or fibre gaskets are not sufficient or SWIM has to treat the pipe threads with teflon tape along with the o-rings. SWIM wasn't able to shake the pipe too vigorously because of the leakages. The trick with the gaskets is that acetone can dissolve lot of plastics and not every sealing may be suitable for it. Standard o-rings are made of fibre or rubber. SWIM didn't use rubber because was afraid that they may react with acetone. The same may happen with teflon tape. SWIM has to make sure that it won't happen before using them in the process.
After 2 hours the acetone solution was filtered with help of the bike pump. Even with the pressure filtration lasted few minutes - certainly the filter was too resistant. Solution was very clear, it had barely visible tea color.

Acetone was added, fittings were switched and process was repeated. Two times. Each time filtration took longer. After the last time the seed powder was discarded. It turned out it formed a hard clog at the bottom of the pipe, just above the filter - this caused so much resist during filtration. SWIM was worried if it didn't influence dissolving of LSA...

Acetone was let to evaporate. It was already 6 PM. SWIM's mistake was not to use a fan. The initial plan was to dissolve the residue in small amount of distilled water and try it the same day but evaporation finished at noon the next day .

The next day SWIM had to go to work, so the residue was dissolved in 25 ml ethanol and 5 ml of distilled water, a pinch of citric acid was added and solution was put into the fridge. It awaits for some better time to try it - maybe this weekend?

Great work sigma!

Quite a fun looking project. I have limited experience with LSA extractions but have always been interested I'm it. Sorry I have no real answers or input and anything I could say would be knowledge from literature and not from experience.
Very intriguing though.

Would love to see the final product of all your handy work! I will be patiently waiting

that's not happening.

a couple things... LSA isn't as nonpolar as THC, so you shouldn't worry about losing some during a defat with a cold aliphatic like butane, especially if you convert it to a salt by using citric or tartaric acid. I'd use a less volatile solvent like hexane, instead of using homemade pipe bombs.

Common solvents used to extract LSA in base form are ethyl acetate, dcm, and toluene (alternately, xylene may be used).

I'm not sure if You can call that 'handy work', it's SWIM's first steps in extracting anything


Well, it wasn't really like this, seeds weren't treated with citric acid before defatting. Citric acid was used only to preserve LSA in the final product as it's going to be stored for maybe few weeks in a fridge. The hole process is not the proven AB extraction of any kind. First comes defatting stage, then three pulls with acetone, evaporation of it and eventually dissolving in some edible solvent. No conversion of LSA takes place during these stages.

I can't tell if it works or not untill SWIM tries it.

I plan to try an LSA extraction in the future, and I have a related question. I hope no one minds if I ask it here.

I was wondering if any specific solvents perform better than others for defating and extraction; at least of the ones that are generally availible. For extracting, I was thinking of using DCM. I've only heard of naptha being used for the defat step, so I'm not sure what else I would try.

SWIM gulped down the mixture 2 hours ago and still no effects occurred. He mixed it with grapefruit juice and 5 drops of peppermint oil. After adding the juice solution turned milky.

Or the extraction went wrong or storing the mixture for 3 weeks destroyed the active compounds. Not good...

When it comes to storing it was sealed in a small jar, dissolved in distilled water and ethanol, a pinch of citric acid was added to it. I think it should have preserved more than 3 weeks ok.

When it comes to extraction itself:

1. This is SWIMs method, SWIMs hardware, first try.
2. Because of small inner diameter of the extraction pipe, not sufficient mixing (because of leakages) and because the pipe is not transparent a hard clog made of the seed mush formed. This clog could have impeded filtration and free floating of particles in acetone during mixing.
3. The final product had very weak color. That could indicated that process went wrong.

What do You think?

I think SWIM next time should use some other glass container during the mixing process. The pipe performed very well during the butane phase and the quick filtration phase. SWIM should buy some nice, small glass funnel. And also SWIM should check different types of gaskets if they react with acetone.

Another try, another failure.

This time SWIM took 6 g of MG seeds, pulverised them in coffee grinder, than:

1. Defatted with butane in the pipe (used roughly 50ml of it)
2. Pulled with 30ml acetone 3 times in a small brown glass bottle, each time filtered using the pipe
3. Evaporated in a shallow glass jar with help of a fan

The end product didn't evaporated 100%, it didn't smell like acetone though. I guess it was water in it but I dont know where did it come from. Maybe because the glass jar was kept in a fridge air humidity condensed on it. It hadn't got any taste or smell. SWIMS girlfriend claimed it smelled like petrol but it's kind of impossible.

SWIM decided to add 1 shotglass of Sprite (R) (pH around 3) and a half shotglass of 95% ethanol, 5 drops of peppermint oil and started to stir the solution couple of times throughout 20 around 20 minutes. The color of solution was more apparent than last time but still very slight. Not everything dissolved. Before drinking SWIM added some more ethanol and 5 drops of lemon oil and more Sprite. Taste wasn't too good because of the essential oils and ethanol but it was drinkable. After maybe 30 minutes some sedation came that lasted for around 30 minutes - it was probably because of late hour, or maybe because of booze. SWIM waited another 2 hours digging DMT NEXUS and awaiting any effects that didn't come. No nausea or other body effects neither.

Notes:
1. What didn't dissolve in the final product was a greasy residue, slight brown-yellow color. It means the butane wash is ineffective. But shouldn't fats dissolve in ~40% ethanol???
2. SWIM was working with commercial seeds, didn't check before if they work at all.
3. Butane wash probably would be more effective if SWIM worked with more seeds - then it would be legitimate to use more butane.

Conclusions:
1. Seeds inactive? Acetone must have pulled tha LSA if there were any.
2. LSA stayed in the greasy residue? Why would it? Especially if it was treated with acidic solution and ethanol.

I think SWIM will try PanoraMIX method next time and purchase better seeds. Kash advanced tek is too advanced for now.

Please comment. Thank You.

I think that Tek is way more complicated than Kash's. I saw your post on that thread but being new still, I was unable to reply to it. Kashs extraction seems to always have a really nice colour to it but the results have been mixed for me so far. If you can bake a cake you can extract with that Tek and after seeing your Tek above I think you will be fine. If you follow the steps word for word including getting the exact materials you may end up reaching a bit into your pockets though, especially if you don't have things lying around, such as pH meters and such.

I don't think the acetone would really pull any LSA out as its just used for washing, at least to my understanding. I'm not really an expert on the subject. I would recommend buying seeds from an online retailer as opposed to Wally World.

Well,
In fact half of SWIMs TEK is a one-to-one copy of KASHs TEK - steps 1-4. Maybe it's fault of my poor English that handling the device seems complicated. Only differences are that SWIMs TEK does defatting stage before acetone and ends up with acetone extract.

And regarding acetone, if it were as You wrote the whole KASHs TEK and SWIMs too wouldn't make any sense. Acetone washes LSA from the seeds, than seeds are discarded.

And You're right, SWIM doesn't have pH meter and few reagents as well.

Im looking to do my first lsa extraction soon, I appreciate your tek, as I am reading several before choosing how to do it. If I understand this thread correct this didn't work out for you?