Sorry for making a repost thread but I can't reply to this thread because it's in the forbidden zone:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=11809


Anyways,

I'm doing shrooms with some friends soon and I happen to have some 10x caapi leaf. I don't really want to pre-dose with the caapi so I was thinking about smoking it during the peak if I feel like I want to turn up the power a bit.

My question is mostly regarding safety:
How much should I smoke and how long should I wait between hits? I've only ever smoked changa so I don't have a good understanding of how caapi feels on its own or how long it takes to come on.

I think the MAOI acts locally, so smoking some wouldn't inhibit ingested stuff the same way as pre-eating it. I imagine it would still have some effect... I'd try it, can't really go too wrong.

Eating enough caapi or rue before taking mushrooms can dramatically boost the effects, so I understand your caution, but I think you're doing it backwards. Would make more sense to eat the caapi, and then take a lesser dose of mushrooms since your body is inhibited, and eat more mushrooms later if you want to build up.

Either way idk how much you'd want to eat or smoke. I usually use syrian rue where the recommendation is 3g. If caapi has a similar alkaloid mass, then you'd only need 300mg (of 10x). Not sure how efficient smoking is, probably would need even more to inhibit that way.

Also, its caapi leaf, not vine. I understand they have different potencies.

Hello friend!

Sounds like you are in for an adventure!

From my experience and understanding, caapi alone is subtle yet meditative unless a large dose is used, at that point caapi is very psychedelic(most intense through oral ingestion) I would personally recommend getting the feel for caapi if you are curious about what caapi alone has to offer, which is very much! Caapi is a beautiful teacher on her own.

With that said, I see no harm in taking a small hit of caapi at the peak and wait to see how you feel. Since you are smoking it, the effects should be relatively quick. Its all up to you on how much you'd like to potentiate the mushroom journey.

So, overall I would say start small when trying to potentiate the mushrooms but theres no real health dangers to worry about.
Again, I do suggest to get the feel for what caapi can offer on its own.

Happy journeys!

Peace and love!

E.O.