Hey Guys and Girls, i have one question is it good put Brugmansia into Changa , i have making changa from Caapi, Holly Wood Palo Santo, Chacruna, Chamomile, Mint, etc. and it works really great.Last time i was tripping on 4g of liberty caps , and i smoked changa on it and had really extreme profound expiriance, and then i got an idea that it would be great to mix Brugmansia into the blend.

Did anyone try this plant to mix into Changa, and how much to put into it.

Thanks and have a Great time

Although that sounds quite exotic and possibly interesting i would say no.
Unless you are very experienced with datura you should prob not consume it all.

Ive met some people who can actually ingest tropanes and enjoy themself but this is not the norm.
Most people who tries them have very bad trips and alot of them overdose and get permanent damage to their psyche or die!

Smoking it seems to be the safest way and maybe its doable if done right.
Would still not recomend it.

I'd pass

The smoking of brugmansia and DMT is dangerous and would need to be scaled hard to have any possible, or even smokable amount of brug.. especially brug. No clear indication of how many tropanes you are working with disregards the use, however many use it and work with it in changa. The helpful medical effects are important to some. The negative effects of brugmansia(when not performed right) can be characterised by severe impairment, inability to sense between real and unreal, and possible permanent damage to organs. These tropane compounds are active in very small amounts. This is a highly advanced blend performed by advanced shamanism in connection with ayahuasca and the spirits, and perhaps some Nexian's have a story or two to tell with smoking or other routes.

Some shamans themselves even say to stay well clear of any psychoactive tropanes.

I offer no recommendation but that is my knowledge so far.

Clear travels!

From experience I can only speak of Brugmansia and not any other Datura. Like everyone before me has said, it is highly dangerous and should be consumed with extreme caution. I've drank Brugmansia tea many times and it always knocks me out. Smoking this plant is dangerous because of the ease of overdose. It is part of the deadly night shade family and contains scopolamine. This tropane will suppress breathing to the point of death.

I once drank 1 g of Brugmansia leaf. I ended up blacking out and was found wandering around my kitchen talking to people who weren't there. The next day when I was told what happened by my sitter, I recalled an evil spirit talking to me in the kitchen. He was disguised as my next door neighbor and telling me to do things but I would not listen. Needless to say I have not consumed a whole gram since.

If you do plan to use it harvest a small quantity and start with VERY SMALL doses. Plant potency can very throughout the year.

It is a great plant when it doesn't kill you or get you locked up in the psyc ward.

Be very careful.

I get why people are weary to try this or warn others against it, I really do

But in limited experience both burgmansia and datura are fine in a changa mix.

A favourite blend consists of one part each:

Mint, passiflora, and burgmansia (leaves and flowers mixed evenly)

This added to 1 part spice.

So 1 : 1 ratio.

That means a dose of 100mg changa = 50mg spice, 16.6 mg passiflora, 16.6 mg mint, and 16.6mg brugmansia leaves / flowers.

Obviously all plants vary in potency due to conditions of growth

But even if your plant was ridiculously potent (does anybody here know what the potency averages between in terms of alkaloids to dried plant matter?) I highly doubt 16.6 mg is enough to worry about.

Plus harmalas are added after the fact and that was always fine, so for scrutinies sake let's make it 32 mg in terms of enhanced effect by harmalas.

Still doesn't warrant enough concern for this goat, personally, and the mystery and depth it adds (sure feels like it) is totally worth sifting thru that misconception that this plant is dangerous in minute amounts

Always try your herb clean before spice is added.

In this case, huge 1 - 2 g pipes full of the above mentioned blend was casually smoked prior to infusion, purely for safety purposes.

Perhaps a blend of brugmansia, plain caapi leaf, and either chacruna or chaliponga would go down nicely, similar to ayahuasca android, not too keen on passiflora any longer. This all relates to one person though obviously, and does not apply to the general population. I guess you need to figure that relationship out for yourself, if you think its worth the risk

The amount of atropine, scopolamine and hyoscyamine will always succeed over that of the weighed dose, so its always important to dose as small as you can. Very small portions of brug material can be used with sufficient drying then smoked. It also depends on which cultivar we are speaking of which does affect the total alkaloid levels.

I have used brugmansia flowers in changa, pretty much as a staple to most of the blends. I have found the easily noticeable bronchodilating effect particularly helpful, but I cannot vouch on its effects on the trip experience. Of course, that is just my opinion.

I also think that despite the notoriety of tropane alkaloids, smoking the plant material has a much larger safety margin and that 20mg (i.e. general amounts in changa) is safe, at least for most of the people. Despite the latter, caution is strongly advised, along with common sense; start small and find your sweet spot.

Could you not strip the petals of any actives before using them in a blend? A solvent wash or something along those lines ?

But the actives is what you are after (i.e. tropanes as bronchodilators), so stripping them off of the petals would make little sense, right?

As for stripping, soaking the petals in water followed by and throwing away the water should in theory get rid of most tropane alkaloids.

I have alot of respect for scopolamine. the best tobacco i have ever smoked contained a heap of it, ive documented my experiences in previous posts ("scopolamine" thread)
i would not put it in changa if i was going to smoke that more regularly than once month or 2. for regular/weekly smoking i recommend ZERO tropanes. This is simply for the fact that it has a very long half life and could accumulate (even with no regular than weekly smoking IMO). its better to be safe than sorry.

By all means -- Make changa with pure brugmansia 1:1:1 and keep it in a separate container for the half yearly or quarterly "big one" i see no outright problem with taking tropanes (under the right circumstances) but when you dont know you are taking them or you think they are ok for anything regular is when you run into problems.

I smoked wild aus. aboriginal tobacco plant leaves through a bong everyday to stop cravings for cigarettes when i tried quiting(1 bowl/day)... i didnt last a week. i ended up thinking the sun had some kind of discernible shapes and symbology, felt like i was under duress and ended up quiding a mouthfull of fresh leaves and spent 4 months in a psych ward, and another 18-24 months getting off of and recovering from the medication i was forced onto.

Do it properly or not at all -thats my opinion of alot of things and especially tropanes (not to recommend an overdose) a sober sitter or friend willing to check up on you and give you a reality test is a bare minimum requirement if you haven't had any/many experiences with tropanes i actually dont suggest taking them at all [newcomers to psychedelics especially] you really should only taking them for a specific path/purpose (preferably one that has already been walked)

tropanes are only worth fearing when not taken in microdoses.

do what thou wilt

Yeeeah, I'd really pass on that one. Datura/brugmansia is one of those things that seems like it'd be really cool to trip on, but actually is a horrible idea. Its quite toxic and unpleasant. I wouldnt even consider it.

I'd pass.

Stay away from Brugmansia if you value your sanity and your life.
Stay away from Brugmansia, Datura, Henbane, Belladonna, Mandrake or any
other plant that contain tropane alkaloids if you wish to avoid the risk of
getting stuck in hell forever.

Many Shaman in the Americans consider these plants to be the gatekeeper of the Demon realm. They even go as far to say that Datura Inoxia is used by those who warship the devil. With the introduction of Catholicism natives collaborated their native beliefs with Catholic symbols. Because Inoxia has an upward facing flower they took the symbol from the devils pentagram, horns facing upward, for war on heaven. Its also known as La Yerba de Diablo or herb of the devil. Brugmansia has a downward facing flower so it became known as The Angel's Trumpet for war against the devil. It is said to exorcise demons from the body as well as ward off demons when planted around the house. Its strange how even people that use it today state things like "getting stuck in hell forever".

Maybe the natives were right.

Thank you for posting this thread. I was just reading about changa, and thinking about what a tropane leaf would be like!

Honestly i couldnt imagine how powerful it would be. Id probably be scared out of my mind to light that bowl up. Although some people do seem to have more of a synergy to this plant. For me not so much. Please let us know where your experiments take you!

I only smoke the dried flowers of brugmasia and datura. I would never take from the root, and I am wary of the leaves. but that's just me. My ex use to tell me stories of a friend of his that never came back from a datura trip.. so perhaps that scared me off.


i think from memory ... brugmasia is planted in graveyards because it represents a state of consciousness between the living and the dead. In western parts of the amazon brugmasia is added to ayahuasca, but their tolerance may have been built up over time. At best this plant is one to handle with caution, and at a lower dose while you figure out if you can handle it.