After some recent reading (mainly Strassman's Inner Paths to Outer Space, which is a definite recommendation), I am formulating opinions regarding DMT being one of the keys to the nonlocal (or spiritual, nonmaterial) realm. This might be what extremely intelligent species across the multiverse use to communicate instead of "rocket ships and radio waves."

But when we tap into this stream, do you ever get the feeling that we are plugging it up? Just like someone using too much bandwidth, we could possibly be slowing the system down a little bit.

Now, I highly doubt we are, as this realm/"cosmic Internet" was probably built with the intention of accepting any form of consciousness that is able to reach it (it probably has more than 12 GB of RAM as well.....). Maybe some of the negative entities we encounter are acting as guards of certain parts of this connection, parts we aren't supposed to reach as of yet? Analogous to hacking into a CIA website of some sort?

What are your thoughts on the matter?

I like to view the mind as a mass of water, if you stop agitating it the particles in it sink to the bottom and all becomes clear. I wouldn't worry too much about exhausting the universe, but i do agree it's pretty intense to be connected with everything and after a while the body/mind gets tired and needs rest

i wonder why u get the feeling were 'plugging' it up? I would say on the contrary, the more energy flows the stronger the connection becomes

I have never actually experienced this; I was just curious as to whether anyone else had or had any thoughts on the matter.

Most of the entities I have met have tried to show me something rather than ignore me or try to kick me out. But I do like your idea that the more energy that there is then the stronger the system could be. This is especially plausible if our minds act as processors instead of terminals that just draw from the connection.

I don't think we're plugging it up. Out of 7 billion of us, I think there are very few of us who engage into psychedelics in this way. Even if all 7 billion of us smoalked DMT at the same time, I think that this "network" wouldn't even feel it, it was surely "built" to withstand many "users".

I mean...when you think about it, this is too grandiose, marvelous...(no those are not the words, it is truly ineffable for this realm) to be plugged up just like that.

And I agree with deathsanus, quite the contrary, we might be even making connection stronger.

I think that when entities are denying entry in some parts, there are other reasons for that.

What would those reasons be? Do you think they are possibly protecting us from something that, in their opinions, we are not ready to handle?

That's one of the possible reasons. Other than that, it might be that certain parts are "reserved" for someone, or that while we're still connected to our physical body, we just can't access some areas. I mean, some areas might be accessible only upon our physical death.

I would think of few other reasons, but I just can't right now. For the past few days, I was thinking extensively about these things, and it looks like my mind needs a rest. It's 11:46 PM here anyway.

This is funny because I used to think this too, until I had a surprise almost breakthrough. Prior to that moment, I had smoked several grams of dmt, with nothing more than intense OEVs at its greatest point (similar to psilohuasca), otherworldly CEVs, but nothing like an out of body experience, I have yet to experience a full breakthrough, I did wonder if I was never meant to be granted access to this terminal you speak of.

Thank you for the book recommendation.

Did Straussman theorize this as well? It seems likely that such experiences can occur and have occurred before. However, where these beings come from is what is currently unknown and is utterly unfathomable.. which I think has a lot to do within the realm of realization of entering or witnessing these dimensions at play.

I don't think we are ever plugging up the stream of that which is consciousness. I mean, these beings want us there. To learn, see, connect, listen and reflect our inner universality.

What if we are the same as they are to us? In other words, conceptually, a holographic mirror.

Strassman did not mention this in the book; this was something I was thinking about after I finished it (in 5 days which I rarely ever, if ever, do with books). In his chapters he went over all the basics you would expect with psychedelics and how they cause multiple states, and how DMT is endogenous in humans from our blood, urine, and cerebrospinal fluid. He goes on about how psychs affect all states of consciousness, but eventually to how so many trip reports detail contact with seemingly autonomous, sentient, interactive beings.

Strassman then lists what many of his subjects said after their DMT experiences, how a lot of them felt like it wasn't a drug but "the experience of a new technology" and "extra dimensional planes." And these were everyday people who were changed by such an experience. Of course the bigger point of the book is to show (with science too!) how looking deep within our minds leads to looking beyond into outer space.

It's a fascinating read, and the science behind our "quantum holographic brains" gets pretty in depth. But it's astonishing how we can connect to these similar nonlocal planes, with descriptions that transcend cultural boundaries...

Strassman's chapters in Inner Paths to Outer Space are really just a recap of his book DMT: The Spirit Molecule.

If you haven't read that one, OP, and you liked Strassman's chapters - I definitely recommend you go read it. It's basically those same first paragraphs of 'Inner Paths', except in much more detail.

But if you want to continue on to understanding what actually happens when this direct-intuitive-nonlocal information processing is used in humans that are aware of it, then I most certainly recommend the book Living in the Heart by Drunvalo Melchizedek. If you read this book you'll probably, like me, come to believe things that you previously thought impossible.

And no. We aren't plugging it up - it is infinite.

You know I saw the DMT: The Spirit Molecule movie and I was bored out of my mind! I also flipped through the book with little to no interest, mainly because I have already heard all of that information (or received it from personal experience, discussing with people I know, reading online, etc.). I could learn way more by reading through five or 10 pages of the Nexus forum!!

I will say that I feel that movie and book are a great introduction for someone who knows nothing about DMT. But I can only hear "DMT is found in the human body, and may be found in the pineal gland" so many times!

In Inner Paths I liked how they used these experiences to lead up to the idea of looking within to go beyond. I've been toying with the idea of only the multiverse and consciousness on multiple planes existing, and the configuration of these ideas depends on one's personal theory or how they view the universe.

Some questions I am pondering include:
1. Is consciousness/life (on any plane) inevitable?
2. Assuming the uni/multiverse is infinite, has there always been and will there always be some sort of consciousness?
3. What is the significance, if any, behind consciousness forming in the universe?
4. Why do fundamental parts of matter (from our perception) converge toward this point?
5. Was the nonlocal plane (or planes depending on if there's a hyper-hyperspace) always there, or was it created by an extraterrestrial or extrauniversal species that preceded us?

Of course I have found out how I want to live and I wouldn't be unhappy if I didn't find answers until death. But I have time to think about this kind of stuff, and curiosity is built into a lot of humans.

Honestly, just flipping through The Spirit Molecule doesn't do it justice. I agree, you'll see, when scanning, a bunch of stuff you're already aware of.

But those are the big blocks. If you read the whole book, you start to get a really good understanding of the small stuff, the details. Not to mention, the trip reports are invaluable. Hearing Strassman's explanation of people's journeys is extremely interesting.

And the movie, you're right, it's just kind of a quickfire version of the book, even less so than the first chapters in Inner Paths.

What if it's a mesh network and every time you connect you add a node and increase the network's functionality?

Seriously though...this thread makes so many presuppositions, it's kind of silly, no?

What are the odds that the functionality of hyperspace is relatable to any human endeavor?

What are the odds we have any clue?

Perhaps it's fun to play around with, but it's good to be cautious (or at least aware) of the presuppositions and assumptions we drag into such discussions

Well like it says on the Attitude page...



Of course it's all just theories, but it's still fun to discuss and think about. Especially if some have shared the feeling of "connecting to the hyperspace network."

I think the fact that we share self-awareness and consciousness is what relates us to this system, but that's just what I think. What it really is, if there is such a thing, may never be known by us simple primates!

Sure, as I already said, I'm not denying that such a conversation can be fun. All I'm saying is that when such a question is posed, it tends to carry a lot of baggage.

So in this case, when you say,
you make a number of assumptions as a starting point to the discussion.

You assume:
- There is a discrete nonlocal/spiritual/nonmaterial realm
- DMT allows human beings to access said realm
- "Extremely intelligent species" (ostensibly extraterrestrial in nature) exist
- The multiverse exists
- "Extremely intelligent species" are capable of communicating across the multiverse
- "Extremely intelligent species" use DMT to engage in said communication
- There is a "bandwidth cap" on DMT-facilitated, multiverse communication
- When humans use DMT, the "bandwidth" they use edges the overall "network" towards its cap

For me, even if we write off the last assumption--as it's the question you are posing in this thread--any one of these assumptions is sufficiently massive to require countless exposition in its defense.

Fun? Sure, why not?

It just seems, as I said earlier, a bit silly. Obviously, you could have hit upon the true nature of all reality in this thread, and here I am calling it silly. The reason I posted in the first place was just to call attention to the amount and type of assumptions that form the basis of such a question and the subsequent discussion.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade. DMT certainly promotes all sorts of wild ideas. I just tend to think that wild ideation is somewhat more productive when it is somewhat grounded in phenomena we have a somewhat solid foundation for.

Now back to the fun

I can believe this, a huge network, communicating, talking, interacting. But I don't see it ever plugging it up. As with what is right in front of me as I type this, is my technology, if I was using a win 95, I would never get anything done. Evolution on a cosmic scale helps keep this bandwidth up and ultimately infinite and expanding, it could even be your own server you created, and that explains the lack of congestion!

What's not to say that every new person that tries these substances the bandwidth increases along with ram, virtual memory, graphics, animation etc. The more the mairrier in a sense? But we will never know.... great to play around with like Snozz saids.

Everything SnozzleBerry said. x2

Excepting that I am not an advocate for freedom of speech. I think language used in it's political context is over abused and the words manifesting often splayed into multiple even diametrically opposing meanings creating rifts, fractions, distortion in otherwise solid, functional states. Because so few think and speak with discretion and with purpose. Plugging up the signal we are all straining to hear through every waking moment over all this noise and crashing waves. The signal that is silence.

i don't know what could be considered to get plugged up. infinite space and energy all around