I am sorry if this topic has been started on another thread I have searched and searched using all different words in the search engine & even in the faq section.this is the question I wanted to have answered when I first joined but was unsure of exactly what I did experience?????

I have had a dozen or so experiences with smoked dmt with approx. 50mg I have I think I may have broken though into a realm of energy beings at first two attempts with 50mg the fantastic spiral and geometric patterns during my semi lucid state were intense and tunnel like so so bright and fantastic... but then after maybe 3 mins about halfway though and its a guess coz time did not matter at the TIME.... a massive bright white light the brightest I have ever experienced opened up a gateway literally like the trip was abruptly ended in the colour tunnel and doors at the end opened I floated in on a bed of intense white light no colour now just white the whitest white.. I heard voices but could not quite understand what they were saying the white light was intense and instead of bright shapes in intricate patterns it was just white with energy tracers flowing past me like thousands of white strings.
I experienced this twice when I first smoked a very pure dmt crystal batch since then I been right back to the doors and they start to open the white light is flooding though but im denied access were they the breakthoughs people talk about is it frame of mind when you smoke it or am I now searching for the wrong reasons I am so confused about this matter.and yet the beauty of the first two experiences will stay with me forever and have profoundly changed the way I view and interact with the world around me and my fellow inhabitants.

regards from whippy.

update on the 04/09 2014

yeah well not so sure about the geometric patterns now ect....get good no very good scales not sure where I went but there weren't no geometry there just mega intense colours where was I does that matter...the music should be meditative and be yourself,understanding and accepting of other realms.because that's what it is.nothing can prepare you apart from your own open mind.

White light experiences are just one of many(infinite?) types of experience that can be wobbled into existence by the use of Magic.

A breakthrough doesn't have to result in white light, I have never had the chance to bask in the light but you can bet your bottom dollar ive broken through.

Peoples definitions of a breakthrough vary, personally I put it at the point at which concensus reality is gone and is irretrievable, you are in a different place for the duration and there ain't no early bus home.

I have spent a ridiculous amount of my time over the last few years trying to figure out what is going on in there and I have come to the conclusion that you will never figure out what's going on.

Its magic don't you know

I've never seen a tunnel of white light but I've been to what I call a white room with no windows or doors if you can imagine a room covered in rhinestones , that's the place but it's still no breakthrough it's just the beginning !!

Peoples definitions of a breakthrough vary, personally I put it at the point at which concensus reality is gone and is irretrievable, you are in a different place for the duration and there ain't no early bus home.

I have spent a ridiculous amount of my time over the last few years trying to figure out what is going on in there and I have come to the conclusion that you will never figure out what's going on.

Its magic don't you know [/quote]


OH well that does sort of make it just another crazy drug that mixes things up in such a way that it all becomes a blur box of intense lucid type dreaming.being the most intense trip ive ever took I know others must have seen similar visions with all the geometric William morris type patterns and Egyptian/American indian,mayan images.i was certain there was a energy force above watching down gaurdians..angels ..whatever,,,when using solvents at 14 I had a very simiair experience with the sky opening up in a large crack all white beneath it and white hand shot down from the sky amd entered my mouth this made me cough and start breathing again I had salways felt I had had my life saved but thinking maybe not now.just a hallucination
will still try a few more breakthoughs but am already happy with what ive seen and would mainly in the future use smaller amouts to brew or smokefor a lesser intense effect.
regards from mr whippy.

I'm not sure about that, to me its a consciousness scrambler, a hidden power up in the game we are playing, a reminder of the madness.

I'm confused when people say "oh its just a drug", I always think, "well, love is just a drug and I'm pretty sure that's real".

I haven't seen a white light like it's classically described, but I've definitely broken through.

I have more often seen a green light. And it usually starts in my peripheral. Once, I felt that a green light coming from the side was a man 'showing me something' by continually lighting this green match. Focusing on the light it moved from my peripheral up to the top of my vision and became this crazy multilayered glass egg looking thing - with the outside layer being full of deep space and stars.

Lol go figure.

You'll do much better if you strip away your expectations and your conceptualizations. Commit to the present and try to ride it like a wave. That serene moment you get on a hilltop, that serene moment when you're holding you're breath looking across the bottom of a naturally lit pool - it's that same feeling. Pull the feeling of calmness and presence of mind into your journeys and decipher your feelings later.

My .02 . Hope this helps! As 3rdI says: it's MAGIC.

Lately most of my breakthrougs are something between a white light breakthrough and a whiteout. Most of the time there is a blinding light, a white room and the feeling of beeing put in soft absorbent cotton.
Haven't experienced a dark trip in a long time but also haven't seen the crazy geometry either.

we have had lenghty debates with a hyperspace entity called Dūraoša (maybe old man rue, not sure though), in regard to transformation of ordinary death. Accordingly, we was not just to marvel at the white light or haunt the various other thrills and information for fun alone, but recognize (we should) that it is the clean clear radiance of our own true innermost nature? That spark of understanding then has the capacity of clearing up the darkness of eons, thereby closing the doors to further madness (ordinary death)? Anyway, we are not sure, as these were just debates we had during our sessions. It often felt like these were some tests or examinations.
We may as well always failed (all of) those...

We also asked Dūraoša, if by it's own true innermost nature he/their/his is substantially different (from ours)?. He/they/it then said "No". He/they/it are just a colourations of the very same....

yes your right it is more than a drug it is for me a gateway into to existence of more than we know

many thanks for all the varied ideas..im learning more to move the addition of other herbs now which can prolong the experience caapi/rue /blue lotus.
thanks from mr whippy

Nice thread mr whippy, I think it's a big question many new comers to dmt ask of themselves especially when they doubt their tokenique (<-- toke technique) lol I invented a word

as you may know my intro to dmt was a gradual one and I'm still not 100% certain I've had a breakthrough, but considering the sense I had at one point of being connected to everything and, well, other things I can hardly recall now. Even that night and next day it was nigh on impossible to recall so much but the vaguest sense. See I've heard accounts of McKenna and the chrysanthemum, auditory crackling, descriptions of sensation at each toke and none of it played out like that for me. In fact I've heard crackling and though fuck I'm breaking through, then doubted it and wondered if it was just raining hard outside. 2 or 3 times I've had that happen now

Someone hit the nail om the head further up the thread, it's each our own experience so BT and the process will differ. I can only concede that I did BT on my most epic run. The problem was I couldn't let go completely to immerse myself in it, and letting go is a key which is why it's so useful to have a sitter to help out, but I just don't have one and I feel this might hold me back.

My problem was I was so focused on getting that next hit, and over a period of a few days I'd trained myself to counter the loss of control and confusion and work on the hits... McKenna's words in my mind saying get that next toke, that I was looking at my hand, holding my shit over the flame, trying so hard to keep a grip on my functions to deal with it preparing the toke but I was already gone. One more toke might have just been right IDK, but I could see my hand so clearly, albeit obscured by colour and definition but your focus becomes your experience.

My room was gone and everything in it except my hand, toke kit and intention to toke. It's at this point I got the message that I was a rigid framework of pure will, and I guess we need to let that will go, because will holds us back. It was like looking into a biscuit barrel, the space was that small, but everything in it, everything was alien to my room and there was stuff going on I should have paid more attention to but I was just awe inspired, in that barrel sized space was everything and I remember kinda feeling like god, you know being able to see everything at once, or at last it was all there to see yet so little time to look at it all. I didn't think I was god, it's just, like I got a window into... um that everything and it gave rise a tremendous sense of gratitude for letting me see and feel that.

I haven't had any entity encounters yet, been kinda getting stuck in paranoia with my recent low dose dabbles but it's all good. I really need to sort out a better way to toke my shit up

but enjoy it, man, it's your ride and none of us have any other rides to measure our own against. dmt is as personal as life itself, or at least that's how it looks so far.

experience is so personal yet there are great commonalities, like C Jung says about the collective unconscious with dreams etc,... it's good to share experiences though as well as have shared experiences but equally important is personal experience. expect nothing, let's ride

I agree with whats his name. If you have to ask whether you brokethrough or not, then u didnt. I have like series of breakthroughs on real deep dmt journeys. I dont even mind sub breakthroughs. Last night I had a sub breakthrough that was more profound? then some of my breakthrough experiences. I mean the typical red jesters with the windowpane faces and then mr geoometeically proportionate mayan god. Actually real weird. He was saying that I.had to go through him to go farther and then I did a little crap talkin, and he.just burst into a , into nothing. And then I was in a black room with neon green and blue colored figures, shapes, lines? Idk..really really deep man. I loved it.

Nice experience report, mr Whippy. IMHO, the culmination of any psychedelic voyage is the immersion of the witnessing self, within the blinding white effulgence of the Clear Light of the Void. And this is the direct aim of most of the world's various mystic traditions. As this light of lights is the very core epicenter of all conscious-awareness, it is both who we are beneath multiples of veils of perception and what the entire cosmos is composed of. It's a rarefied and wonderful blessing that you have been so touched by the vortexial pull of this very deep level of existential being. Let your love light shine!


Yes, this! There is an embracing and familiar quality to the white light interphase. It seems the very same glow that is contained within sunshine, the sheer warmth of love in it's purest, formless form... and the glow of peaceful joy and inner tranquility born of coming home. In my experience, when the light is merged within fully, there is indeed a whiteout experience and this frequency of mind, erases most of the self-witnessing that takes place while awareness blooms exponentially.

The general misnomer is that one needs the chemical molecule inherent within Sacred Medicines to feasibly encounter the inner light. The psychedelic molecules overpoweringly stop the mind's accustomed, narrowly constructed confines... and dramatically shift one's attention, with out a doubt, but this is our truest and most natural state. Now, there definitely needs to be powerful changes in the brain's neurology, endogenous or exogenous. Ergo, spiritual practices are wise to embrace. We all emerge from this brilliant level and will each return to full awareness of this state of being, to whatever measure or timing that unfolds, unique to each string of the whole.

When the relative subjective thought-patterns are stilled, however this is done, perception is freed to explore other dimensions of reality, parallel universes, alternate realms and vibratory rates/frequencies of existential being. I have found that meditation is key to this vital aspect of immersions within the white light. Placing one's attention, entering one's intent and awakening from the mezmerism of our ego conditioning... each require a heightened degree of clarity and unwavering focus. We need to release ourselves, incrementally or suddenly, as ego-bound selves, to touch the reality of the blindingly luminous Godhead.

Nice experience report, mr Whippy. IMHO, the culmination of any psychedelic voyage is the immersion of the witnessing self, within the blinding white effulgence of the Clear Light of the Void. And this is the direct aim of most of the world's various mystic traditions. As this light of lights is the very core epicenter of all conscious-awareness, it is both who we are beneath multiples of veils of perception and what the entire cosmos is composed of. It's a rarefied and wonderful blessing that you have been so touched by the vortexial pull of this very deep level of existential being. Let your love light shine!

many thanks for all your replies I have used and read your other threads and links and I now know so much more than I did 3 or so weeks ago thanks for letting me be a guest on this site
shame I cant join in on some of those discussions I would love too.
I will visit again..to help other guests if I can..but not so frequently as I do not have any more vital questions that i really want to ask yet and I am about to go off travelling on my own and am feeling very confident about it.. thanks again for the use of this informative site it is a miracle see you and new guests again soon.
regards from mr whippy.